Do you wish that you could speak Welsh?

[llantwit]

Why should Welsh-speakers stop speaking Cymraig just because there are English speakers in the room? If Welsh is their first language it is the natural thing to do surely. It doesn't make them snobby cunts.

You speak Welsh yet, Brockway?

 

[Belushi]

and nothing against me! they having only changed from english when i arrived in the room (generaly a pub)

How do you know they were speaking English before you entered the room?

 

[Ben Bore]

BB - My 13% came from an official council publication of two years ago, which was on the web. Can't find it now, but people from Newport agreed that was published. Presumably based on a post-census survey.

Yeah there tends to be a survey half way between the censuses, the WLB run one, but I can't find anything online (typical)

hey insist that it is preferable to speaking in english, and nothing against me! they having only changed from english when i arrived in the room (generaly a pub)

Give me strength

most welsh speakers i have met like this are just stuck up cunts, but i am not tarnishing all welsh like this

Phew, really glad you cleared that up for us.

I'm going to have to retire from this thread, I can feel my blood pressure rising fast

 

[Sweaty Betty]

I have a GCSE in welsh and i can ask to go to the toilet , say i love horse riding and mention a few foods

As for the snobbery stuck up thing, whilst im sure its in the minority, it certainly exists among some welsh speakers ime.......

 

[brianx]

Take one of those chill pills Ben. Life's too short my friend.

 

[Ben Bore]

Take one of those chill pills Ben. Life's too short my friend.

It's ok now, I'm lying down as I type this

 

[Sweaty Betty]

We have a welsh speaking family up the road, infact we have about a dozen, but this one family think thay are far superior to us all, oweing to their welsh speaking and their connections with s4c, they are the most prissy bunch of wankers i have ever met.....

 

[Belushi]

We have a welsh speaking family up the road, infact we have about a dozen, but this one family think thay are far superior to us all, oweing to their welsh speaking and their connections with s4c, they are the most prissy bunch of wankers i have ever met.....

Sure, but thats probably because theyre middle class rahter than because they're welsh speakers

 

[ddraig]

You gonna bandy around setreotypes like the Welsh switching languages when an outsider comes in the pub you better apply this flameproof coating, my friend.

init!

 

[Sweaty Betty]

init!

He is my favourite welsh speaker

 

[Sweaty Betty]

Sure, but thats probably because theyre middle class rahter than because they're welsh speakers

yes

but the combination is deadly, i want to smack that smarmy little mouth of hers

 

[Grandma Death]

Not at all. I lived in wales for 32 years...and I felt no need to learn the language. Its not an internationally used language so really there is little point personally in me learning it.

 

[rhys gethin]

Not at all. I lived in wales for 32 years...and I felt no need to learn the language. Its not an internationally used language so really there is little point personally in me learning it.

Didn't even learn to use a capital letter for the place either? Little point in personally learning it, I suppose, even out of politeness to those whose Country it was.

 

[Brockway]

You speak Welsh yet, Brockway?

Like a fucking native.

 

[Brockway]

As for the snobbery stuck up thing, whilst im sure its in the minority, it certainly exists among some welsh speakers ime.......

No shit Haylz. Get this though love - you find some English speakers who are snobby too. Honest to God. Can I point you in the direction of Rhiwbina and Lisvane?

 

[Sweaty Betty]

No shit Haylz. Get this though love - you find some English speakers who are snobby too. Honest to God. Can I point you in the direction of Rhiwbina and Lisvane?

oh i know mate, they can be some of the worst as well(butchers aprons and all that jazz).....but the welsh speaker luvvies from s4c are a breed i dont get on with

 

[brianx]

Does it matter if Welsh "isn't an international language"? Dutch isn't an international language but everyone in the Netherlands speaks Dutch as their first language and can usually speak English and at least one other foreign language. I'd love to learn Welsh but don't want to learn a language for the sake of it. If Gruff Rhys and his glamorous friends were in town every week it would be a chance to speak Welsh but except for when the Eisteddfodd(sp) was here a few years ago I've never heard any person speak Welsh in Newport.
I'll pop along to Wetherspoon's to have a pint of SA and chat if I can get started on the lingo. Thanks for the info Ben.
Happy St David's day everyone.

 

[Grandma Death]

Does it matter if Welsh "isn't an international language"? Dutch isn't an international language but everyone in the Netherlands speaks Dutch as their first language and can usually speak English and at least one other foreign language. .

Dutch is spoken in not only the netherlands but also belgium and parts of france-also some 22 million people use it as their main language (whereas only around 700,000 speak welsh). You cannot even begin to compare it to the welsh language.

 

[Brockway]

Charlotte Church apologist

Does it matter if Welsh "isn't an international language"? Dutch isn't an international language but everyone in the Netherlands speaks Dutch as their first language and can usually speak English and at least one other foreign language. I'd love to learn Welsh but don't want to learn a language for the sake of it. If Gruff Rhys and his glamorous friends were in town every week it would be a chance to speak Welsh but except for when the Eisteddfodd(sp) was here a few years ago I've never heard any person speak Welsh in Newport.
I'll pop along to Wetherspoon's to have a pint of SA and chat if I can get started on the lingo. Thanks for the info Ben.
Happy St David's day everyone.

Well how many people in Newport (Llanrumney East ) do you hear speaking Spanish, German or French? That doesn't stop plenty of Newportonians learning those languages. Anyway learn Welsh and you can enjoy the pleasures of S4C. Now there's an incentive....

 

[Brockway]

Dutch is spoken in not only the netherlands but also belgium and parts of france-also some 22 million people use it as their main language (whereas only around 700,000 speak welsh). You cannot even begin to compare it to the welsh language.

Welsh is cooler though - it's the language of Merlin and a link to our pre-Anglo-Saxon past.

 

[Ben Bore]

So what's do folks think the cut of point for a language to be 'worth it' should be?

900,000, 1.5million, 5m, 10m, 20m?

 

[Grandma Death]

So what's do folks think the cut of point for a language to be 'worth it' should be?

900,000, 1.5million, 5m, 10m, 20m?

Face facts....welsh is a tiny minority language used pretty much in wales only. I love the language its great and wouldnt want to see it die off-but the bottom line is outside of wales there is pretty much zero need for its use. Doesnt make it an less 'worth' but in terms of scale & frequency of use its dwarved by say Dutch as was the example given.

 

[ddraig]

Patagonia dude
Pat-a-gonia

 

[chilango]

Dutch is spoken in not only the netherlands but also belgium and parts of france-also some 22 million people use it as their main language (whereas only around 700,000 speak welsh). You cannot even begin to compare it to the welsh language.

Welsh is spoken in parts of England.

Patagonia obviously.

I 've used Welsh in the USA on two seperate occasions.

It also proved useful in Brittany.

Wherever I lived abroad, people have been delighted that Welsh exists and have been keen to learn a few phrases.

...so your point is?

 

[Grandma Death]

Welsh is spoken in parts of England.

Patagonia obviously.

I 've used Welsh in the USA on two seperate occasions.

It also proved useful in Brittany.

Wherever I lived abroad, people have been delighted that Welsh exists and have been keen to learn a few phrases.

...so your point is?

My point is obvious-in case you missed it.

700,000 People worldwide speak welsh and 611,000 of those are in wales. Outside of wales there is hardly much call for it-on the scale of languages its hardly used outside of wales.

Infact its hardly used on this planet full stop.

Im just stating facts-there is little practical use in learning a language so few people use. Of course there is every reason to learn it to preserve its culture and heritage/and or if you are going to patagonia for your holidays if thats what rings your bell

 

[Gromit]

3 million people would be speaking Welsh if it wasn't for the english.

Iceland has a population of 300,000.
You'll be telling them next not to bother speaking Icelandic as so few people use it. Stop wasting your time and get yourself a more popular language you silly ice people.

And don't even get me started on the Malteese!!!

 

[chilango]

My point is obvious-in case you missed it.

700,000 People worldwide speak welsh and 611,000 of those are in wales. Outside of wales there is hardly much call for it-on the scale of languages its hardly used outside of wales.

Infact its hardly used on this planet full stop.

Im just stating facts-there is little practical use in learning a language so few people use. Of course there is every reason to learn it to preserve its culture and heritage/and or if you are going to patagonia for your holidays if thats what rings your bell

What? see my post above...

I use Welsh regularly here in Mexico, I used it France, Portugal, the USA etc.

I even delivered a sermon in Welsh at a catholic church in the barrios of Guatemala City a coupla years ago (that was pretty strange mind!)

 

[Grandma Death]

What? see my post above...

I use Welsh regularly here in Mexico, I used it France, Portugal, the USA etc.

I even delivered a sermon in Welsh at a catholic church in the barrios of Guatemala City a coupla years ago (that was pretty strange mind!)

Yes for you its been practical but generally for most people it serves no practical purpose whatsoever.

 

[chilango]

Ygenerally for most people

...thats the problem with yer argument though innit. Your just generalising based upon your exeperiences, and it doesn`t work.

Just as my experiences can`t be generalised to "everybody really needs to learn welsh to use outside Wales".

Point is, it is a living language that has both national and international value, and whilst you can of course get by without it, your experiences are, I would argue, a little impoversihed in its absence.

 

[Grandma Death]

You'll be telling them next not to bother speaking Icelandic as so few people use it.

Im not telling anyone to not learn welsh. Try reading my posts.