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Do you support the University markers strike?

Do you support the striking lecturers?


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The bureaucratic hoop jumping nonsense certainly put me off an academic career. You wouldn't mind if the systems put in place actually worked, or you had the authority to *gasp* actually fail people who weren't doing any work. Several years ago, I remember there being uproar in the departments around the university after the Principal sent round a memo stating too many students were failing and that all 90% of all classes should be passed.
 
equationgirl said:
The bureaucratic hoop jumping nonsense certainly put me off an academic career. You wouldn't mind if the systems put in place actually worked, or you had the authority to *gasp* actually fail people who weren't doing any work. Several years ago, I remember there being uproar in the departments around the university after the Principal sent round a memo stating too many students were failing and that all 90% of all classes should be passed.

Aye, this really stinks. Universities are not factories producing commodities, though this is what the education system - as a whole - is being told to do.

It's all about funding: each student is a walking "funding unit" and this is how management sees it. :mad: They aren't interested in anything else but the production of statistics.
 
london manz said:
Why cant they strike at the beginning of next semester, or refuse to teach next years freshers that would cause mass problems as 150,000 new students would not be able to go to university - im sure the universities would crumble if something like that happened and reluctantly increase wages

1. The dispute is going on now, not next year. In fact, it's been going on for the best part of this academic year. Leaving action until next year is probably not a practical option because a) the momentum would be lost, and b) they want to get things sorted out before the next academic year.

2. Whatever action is taken is going to inconvenience someone. If it were left until next year there'd just be the same fuss, except this time it'd be about freshers left in the lurch rather than finalists. Just pushign the problem around isn't going to solve anything.
 
I've caught a couple of bits on the news about this now, and not a single student interviewed speaking out against the strike has managed to come across as anything other than a selfish prick :)
 
subversplat said:
I've caught a couple of bits on the news about this now, and not a single student interviewed speaking out against the strike has managed to come across as anything other than a selfish prick :)

Oh, have they actually shown interviews with any supporting the strike? The reporting on this has been abysmally partisan. The views of supportive students are being deliberately ignored.
 
Of course they are! The media can't tell the general public that the lecturers are being evil and greedy at the expense of the poor ickle undergraduates, if the students are actually backing the strike. Blows a big hole in the media spin.

They showed a bit of a rally at Aberdeen Uni yesterday, but no interviews with students, supportive or not.
 
equationgirl said:
Of course they are! The media can't tell the general public that the lecturers are being evil and greedy at the expense of the poor ickle undergraduates, if the students are actually backing the strike. Blows a big hole in the media spin.

They showed a bit of a rally at Aberdeen Uni yesterday, but no interviews with students, supportive or not.

I agree equationgirl -- There was also a rally by students at Glasgow University last week, which the local BBC originally reported as being against the academics, but was in fact, in support. The BBC Scotland website did, eventually, get it right, but it shows the 'default position' of the mainstream media.

However, like others on the list, I wish the strike had been called on the basis of other issues rather than pay (important though pay remains) -- I'd be happier with a strike against the extension of short term contracts, for higher staff numbers (to get back closer to staff-student ratios of 1992, or 1980s nevermind 1979), better pay and conditions for those on temporrary contracts and the erradication of the RAE which is destroying academic disciplines. I guess we have more chance of gaining these, in my view more important goals, if we win this dispute, than if we lose it.
 
Do you know what it's being replaced with?

If I hear the word 'metric' being used one more time in the context 'we're being measured against these metrics' I swear I'm going to run amok in the senior management wing with a big stick.
 
equationgirl said:
Do you know what it's being replaced with?

If I hear the word 'metric' being used one more time in the context 'we're being measured against these metrics' I swear I'm going to run amok in the senior management wing with a big stick.

I don't know, I'm afraid. Doubtless something else designed to validate the existence of the HEFCE.
 
Most people will be very happy to see the back of the RAE. Unfortunately, one can't help suspecting that whatever replaces it might be just as bad.

Meanwhile, I found out this afternoon that I'm probably going to be put through the 2008 RAE. bugger.
 
News just in: the action short of a strike has been suspended and the UCU is going to ballot its members on the new pay deal.

It's a bit early to say but the deal seems pretty similar to the one that was on the table a few weeks back. The only stand-out part seems to be the convening of an independent review of university finances in an attempt to see whether there might be more money in the future for academics, which, IMO, sounds like a reasonable idea.
 
My university branch is encouraging a rejection of this offer in the forthcoming ballot:
CARDIFF UNIVERSITY LECTURERS' UNION (UCU) CALLS FOR NATIONAL UNION LEADERS TO
RESIGN

At a packed emergency meeting of the lecturers' union (UCU), union members in
Cardiff today voted unanimously to ask the national union leaders to resign with
immediate effect.

The vote followed the decision taken by union leaders yesterday to suspend the
ongoing marking boycott pending a ballot on a pay offer tabled in negotiations
between universities and unions representing academic employees in the UK.

Speaking at the meeting, CUCU President Mark Aston said "The national
leadership has breached the commitment they made to consult with members before
suspending industrial action. Union members approved the industrial action by a
large majority. The leaders' unilateral decision to suspend the action has
left lecturers with little to show after months of pain suffered by students and
lecturers alike. I would expect that local associations up and down the country
are likely to echo our sentiments and call for heads to roll."

Members were also upset that the offer agreed by national leaders did not
include any catch-up element, despite a huge increase in HE funding specifically
aimed at improving pay.

Speaking at the meeting, Todd Bailey said "When you consider that public
sector wages have increased by over 15% in the last three years, you have to ask
by what stretch of the imagination does a pay rise of 13% over the next three
years constitute a pay rise? Lecturers are left demoralized, and this is bad
news for future students as well as UK academia as a whole."

NOTES TO EDITORS

There has been a historical decline in academic salaries relative to comparable
professionals:
Two independent government enquiries in the last 10 years (the Bett and Dearing
Reports) found that lecturers' salaries have fallen behind by 40% relative to
comparable professions over the last 2 decades. The government New Earnings
Survey ( http://www.statistics.gov.uk ) shows HE teaching professionals seeing a
6.6% real gain from 1994-2003, compared to 12% public sector average -- in other
words a -5.4% decline relative to the whole public sector (see
http://www.natfhe.org.uk/index.php?id=942 ). The relative decline is much
larger compared to the more than 20% gains enjoyed by medical practitioners, ICT
professionals, personnel-training-and-industrial-relations managers, and
managers in government. That's just the decline over 10 years, and the trend
has been going on much longer than that. Speaking to Universities UK on 14
January 2004, Tony Blair said "The shortfall of teaching funding has badly hit
the salaries of academic staff, which have shown practically no increase in real
terms over two decades."

The unions asked for an increase of 23% over three years. The figure of 23%
reflects a real terms increase of 10% spread over three years (
http://www.natfhe.org.uk/?entityType=Document&id=802 ).

In contrast, the current pay offer is barely above inflation:
Wage inflation in the UK is currently 4.2% per year (
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=10 ; for a comprehensive
breakdown of wage increases see
http://www.incomesdata.co.uk/statistics/stataver.htm ). Compounded over three
years, this works out to 13.1%. In other words, the current offer is a wage
increase that just tracks wage inflation in the UK over three years. At this
rate lecturers will never catch up with the -5.4% decline from 1994-2003, let
alone earlier declines or the greater declines relative to comparable
professionals.
 
llantwit said:
My university branch is encouraging a rejection of this offer in the forthcoming ballot:

Tactically speaking I don't think they have a snowball's of improving the settlement now.
 
Me either. I was surprised by the reaction. Amongst lecurers I know there was no stomach for a protracted action.
 
Well I'm hard at it trying to ensure that all my marking's done asap.
Thanks to all the students and others here who supported the action.
*disappears back to the pile of essays*
 
2 Hardcore said:
Well I'm hard at it trying to ensure that all my marking's done asap.
Thanks to all the students and others here who supported the action.
*disappears back to the pile of essays*

As a student awaiting marks and exam results I was wondering whether you know how the academics have gone about the strike.

Has the tendency been to follow the strike to the letter and not mark anything or have some marked their stuff and refused to submit it to the second marker and department?
 
AFAIK a lot of lecturers did the marking: they just didn't submit it to the second marker. The marking would have to be done anyway, and not submitting it achieves precisely the same effect as not doing it in the first place.

which is why the attempt on the part of some (not on here, necessarily) to portray the strike as an extended skive was so far wide of the mark.
 
Fully support from me. The lecturers deserve much better and have been left with no choice. Shame that some of the 'me' generation have a problem with this. It probably indicates some of the problems of drip fed government restricted test obsessed education.

All power to 'em!
 
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