Do you read the BNP website?

[durruti02]

you are meaning the ooh aah? thats a good one to keep an eye on too .. e.g doesn't usually take an anti union line as so many w/c readers

 

[FridgeMagnet]

fair play but what do you mean by 'other avenues' .. and donlt think teh Labour comparison works .. we see them day in day out

"Other avenues" are media that they use to publicise themselves and their POV - and the home page isn't that. The home page serves two main purposes - firstly as a newswire of sorts for people who already support the party, though probably not a major one as there are mailing lists etc, and secondly as an advertising tool that they hope will draw in people who've heard about the BNP and gone to the website to learn more (sites which do this are often termed "brochure" sites).

But that's not what attracts people there in the first place. People go there because they've heard things about the BNP in other areas, on the news, through press releases, from local campaigns etc. Those are the areas that you want to watch if you want to see how people are being attracted.

You won't get very much useful information from perusing the BNP website itself. You'll see the sort of approach that they think will get people into the party once they're there already, but that doesn't change a lot relatively. It's the methods that they use to get them to the site in the first place that are the important ones to be aware of.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

No - it is shite.

I do read stormcunt though on occasion just to see the levels of vileness which are allowed - I'm all for freedom of speech, but the BNP (now) do seem to have mastered the art of just about toeing the line of reasonability, Stormcunt allows all kinds of unfettered racism...

 

[Stoat Boy]

I will give it a glance, same with Stormwatch and a few other right wing sites as well.

What I find most fascinating about the BNP website though is there 'BNP TV'.

Now the production values are pretty poor and their presenters leave a lot to be desired but what I sense they do put accross well is the passion that there activists have. I remember seeing one of them prior to the Euro elections that focused on the people working in their warehouse getting a lot of their marketing material out.

And whether it was deliberate or not they did put accross a sense of people genuinely believing in their cause and all pulling in the same direction along with it being primarily working class people fufiling the roles of activists.

Its something about the BNP that does have the ability to galvinise its supporters in a way that seems pretty unique in British politics at the moment.

 

[Herbsman.]

Yep, "know thine enemy"

Some ignorant fuck scoffed at me for looking at it and watching BNP videos on youtube, as if I was crazy. Drives me up the wall how people can just ignore stuff like that... "I'm not racist so I don't need to look at it" is not the fucking point. How can you be anti-BNP if you haven't got a sliver of a clue what they are...

 

[sonny61]

I look at it a few times a week, also, I am really embarrassed to admit, the SWP website.
The SWP website is funny, totally self deluded, pompous, and lecturing. The BNP website is very serious, and dare I say it not that bad, cleverly set out for the casual visitor.

I saw on their site Griffin's first speech to the EU. Cut out the part out where he attacks the UAF, the rest regarding Iran could have come straight from Galloway, or a few others on the left.

Strangely I never look at the Labour website.

 

[Divisive Cotton]

I scan the headlines now and again

Occasionally I read the mad conspiracyloon comments under the articles

 

[Davo1]

There is a man called Colin on there, who never fails to come out with utter belters. I think they've made him up.

I don't go on there so much now they've won the Euro's tho. Yack.

For a party that goes on about their love for 'democracy' - in the slave-owning ancient Greek sense - I have yet to see a comment that offers an alternative opinion.

Funny, huh......

 

[purplex]

its piss your pants funny

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

I used to look at it quite often. Know the enemy innit. But I haven't looked much since their victory, don't really want to see the wank-fest crowing. One semi-interesting thing is how much leftist style rhetoric they indulge in. They also did one of the best anti-Iraq war pieces I ever read.

 

[goosegrease]

"Don't be left in the dark, keep in touch with Chairman Nick Griffin MEP"

Dont fucking tempt me

 

[derf]

why would i read the bnp website?

Because, if you read it, you can see what the cunts are up to.
More than that, you can see how they do it and why they are doing better than the anti fascists.

I'll explain for the benefit of the anti racists.
Their racist message, while a pile of shit, is a positive one.
Any negative, or anti, message will always come a poor second.

That's why the 'anti' whatever groups need ditch all their ideas and get a positive 'pro' message over right now.

Get on the front foot and stop trying to fight a rearguard action or these fascist fuckers will end up with power.

 

[danny la rouge]

Infrequently. Not more than a handful of times.

 

[durruti02]

Because, if you read it, you can see what the cunts are up to.
More than that, you can see how they do it and why they are doing better than the anti fascists.

I'll explain for the benefit of the anti racists.
Their racist message, while a pile of shit, is a positive one.
Any negative, or anti, message will always come a poor second.

That's why the 'anti' whatever groups need ditch all their ideas and get a positive 'pro' message over right now.

Get on the front foot and stop trying to fight a rearguard action or these fascist fuckers will end up with power.

this ^^^

 

[durruti02]

"Other avenues" are media that they use to publicise themselves and their POV - and the home page isn't that. The home page serves two main purposes - firstly as a newswire of sorts for people who already support the party, though probably not a major one as there are mailing lists etc, and secondly as an advertising tool that they hope will draw in people who've heard about the BNP and gone to the website to learn more (sites which do this are often termed "brochure" sites).

But that's not what attracts people there in the first place. People go there because they've heard things about the BNP in other areas, on the news, through press releases, from local campaigns etc. Those are the areas that you want to watch if you want to see how people are being attracted.

You won't get very much useful information from perusing the BNP website itself. You'll see the sort of approach that they think will get people into the party once they're there already, but that doesn't change a lot relatively. It's the methods that they use to get them to the site in the first place that are the important ones to be aware of.

ok i see what you are saying but surely this is the key thing .. " secondly as an advertising tool that they hope will draw in people who've heard about the BNP and gone to the website to learn more (sites which do this are often termed "brochure" sites)..." .. so it shows us what they are trying to portray currently

is there a collection of / do you have a link to what you call their other avenues?

 

[durruti02]

There is a man called Colin on there, who never fails to come out with utter belters. I think they've made him up.

I don't go on there so much now they've won the Euro's tho. Yack.

For a party that goes on about their love for 'democracy' - in the slave-owning ancient Greek sense - I have yet to see a comment that offers an alternative opinion.

Funny, huh......

yes the comments let the cat out of the bag ..

" Arthur Pendragon of Chippenham says Time to Repell the Muslim Invadors!" etc

i would NOT be suprised if over the next period we see comments heavily moderated or even turned off

 

[frogwoman]

I read it sometimes, read it after the euro elections. They've certainly revamped it over the past year. It's fucking creepy. "The BNP is the UK's only true green party!" etc

 

[JimPage]

Yes, but their blogs are a better place to glean tactics and strategy- especially Simon Darby's and Martin WIngfields

Freedom is not a great source as its mainly publishes articles previously on their webiste -although freedom is a good example of their populist message- or was until last issue. Next issue edited by new editor Mark Collett so dunno what that willturn out like

Their quarterly magazine Identity is a better source of stratigic stuff to read

 

[JHE]

Next issue edited by new editor Mark Collett so dunno what that willturn out like

That is fucking strange. Why push aside a competent editor (whose work has impressed even one or two very hostile readers here) and replace him with a fucking liability like young Collett? Has Collett grown up? Is he no longer a complete arse? Is he Griffin's protege for some reason that eludes me?

 

[Spion]

Is he Griffin's protege for some reason that eludes me?

I've often thought Collett must have something on Griffin.

 

[frogwoman]

That is fucking strange. Why push aside a competent editor (whose work has impressed even one or two very hostile readers here) and replace him with a fucking liability like young Collett? Has Collett grown up? Is he no longer a complete arse? Is he Griffin's protege for some reason that eludes me?

Maybe it's more vote winning - like Nick Griffin's recent comment re: the immigrant boat thing ... we're not meant to like it.

I watched Russell Brand "exposing" mark collett and he actually came across worrying well, and brand came out looking the twat at times (which tbf is not difficult for him) i was literally cringing with some of it.

 

[frogwoman]

I've often thought Collett must have something on Griffin.

That's very likely IMO as well

 

[durruti02]

Yes, but their blogs are a better place to glean tactics and strategy- especially Simon Darby's and Martin WIngfields

Freedom is not a great source as its mainly publishes articles previously on their webiste -although freedom is a good example of their populist message- or was until last issue. Next issue edited by new editor Mark Collett so dunno what that willturn out like

Their quarterly magazine Identity is a better source of stratigic stuff to read

have you any idea of numbers who read 1) website 2) freedom and 3) their blogs jim?

and yes why would they change the editor of their Freedom????? any idea of the politics behind that?

 

[durruti02]

Maybe it's more vote winning - like Nick Griffin's recent comment re: the immigrant boat thing ... we're not meant to like it.

yes i think a few people have suggested they may feel the time is right to drop the 'left wing' stuff and increase the racism .. need to keep an eye out

 

[SuperNovav2.0]

have you any idea of numbers who read 1) website 2) freedom and 3) their blogs jim?

and yes why would they change the editor of their Freedom????? any idea of the politics behind that?

I think Martin Wingfield will be taking up a job in Europe. I'm pretty sure that's why Simon Darby left his postion as west midlands organizer aswell.

 

[JHE]

I think Martin Wingfield will be taking up a job in Europe.

If the decision to replace Wingfield with Collett was taken after the Euro elections, then that makes sense - or rather half-sense: it explains or helps to explain why Wingfield lost the job as editor. However, it still leaves it very unclear why Collett was chosen as his replacement.

 

[SuperNovav2.0]

I'm pretty sure Collett's previous job with the BNP was editing leaflets. Maybe this is just a natural promotion?

 

[Grandma Death]

I check it at least on a monthly basis. The last time I looked was when the the report on social housing and immigrants not getting priority came out. Surprisingly they had their own take on it-which illustrates to me that the BNP aren't even in the slightest bit interested in debate.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

ok i see what you are saying but surely this is the key thing .. " secondly as an advertising tool that they hope will draw in people who've heard about the BNP and gone to the website to learn more (sites which do this are often termed "brochure" sites)..." .. so it shows us what they are trying to portray currently

is there a collection of / do you have a link to what you call their other avenues?

"Other avenues" are any public areas that they're trying to make themselves visible - in the news, postings on (other people's) forums and news stories, in elections, at demos etc.

I mean, sure, I take a look at the site every now and then out of vague curiosity, but there's no real benefit in reading it frequently, because anything important you'll hear elsewhere and the way it's presented elsewhere is what you have to watch.

I'd say that anyone who's still got an idea of the BNP being all idiot boneheads with no PR sense should certainly take a look, but even they only need to once, and even in that case they need to look at their actual political moves outside of their site much more.

 

[purplex]

which illustrates to me that the BNP aren't even in the slightest bit interested in debate.

Now that does surprise me.