Do You Like Jazz?
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Wolfie said:
most evil band of all time.
worse, even, than akira.
pilchardman
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Not really, no. I know what people who dislike music mean.Dubversion said:
so are you seriously suggesting the Arkestra were a jazz funk outfit?
pilchardman
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I couldn't even begin to classify them. They were jazz and they were funky, though.Dubversion said:
i entirely agree. but i think i would contend that being jazz and having the funk doesn't make you - at least in common parlance - jazz funk.
pilchardman
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See. Common parlance. There's the thing. How do I know what people mean? If they mean Al Jareau and AWB, then no I don't like that thing, whatever it is.Dubversion said:
But if they mean by jazz funk jazz that is funky...
we're into the whole Humpty Dumpty 'real knockdown argument' deal here aren't we? 
go to the Jazz Funk section of your local emporium and tell me if you see more Curtis and Sun Ra or AWB and Lonnie Liston Smith
go to the Jazz Funk section of your local emporium and tell me if you see more Curtis and Sun Ra or AWB and Lonnie Liston Smith
pilchardman
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Ah hah! I've got you there!Dubversion said:we're into the whole Humpty Dumpty 'real knockdown argument' deal here aren't we?
go to the Jazz Funk section of your local emporium and tell me if you see more Curtis and Sun Ra or AWB and Lonnie Liston Smith
Care to join me on Saturday morning at Europa music? There will be no AWB in jazz funk. It will be in rock and pop. The sections Soul/Funk/Jazz (which flow in reality as well as in Europa Music) spill nicely into each other.
but those slashes make all the fucking difference, don't they? Funk / Jazz, or even Jazz / Funk is categorically not the same thing as Jazz Funk. the / implies distance, separation, a divide.
pilchardman
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Do they? Only in the mind. Only in the mind.Dubversion said:
actually, the genre system in your local boutique really just reinforces my point that it's all on the same continuum, which is why a lazy or small shop will stick it all in the same rack. doesn't mean that there's much common ground between Al Jarreau, Al Green or Albert Ayler, does it?
pilchardman
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Oi. Oh no you don't, matey! That's my point, not yours!Dubversion said:
pilchardman
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The irony in you posting that is obviously lost on you. In the post you link to, you've quoted me making the point you claim to have made first.Dubversion said:
no, my point was that your claim about the various links between jazz and funk etc only make sense when seen in the broader picture, in which case it's all up for grabs
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erpilchardman
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They weren't jazz, though.
Whereas Django Reinhardt was jazz, but not really funky.
Whereas Django Reinhardt was jazz, but not really funky.
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