Do You Like Jazz?
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pilchardman
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Dubversion said:hip hop comes from Jamaican sound system culture - the DJ, the selector etc.
you make this up as you go along don't you? if you're going to be so insistent, try and be right
pacmanray said:
You're both right.
(Awaits: Oh no we're not! Oh no we're not! O-o-o-o-h no we're not! [etc]).
It's one of the contrasts in jazz isn't it, the polarisation within it?
It's origins came from black musicians using instruments that for hundreds of years had only been used by white europeans to make "classical music". They took those instruments, and rebelled by using them to create a crazy innovative and extremely creative new form of music.
At the other extreme you have...
It's origins came from black musicians using instruments that for hundreds of years had only been used by white europeans to make "classical music". They took those instruments, and rebelled by using them to create a crazy innovative and extremely creative new form of music.
At the other extreme you have...
tangerinedream
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Dubversion said:
good point dub and one I didn't think off Perhaps imatation has become the structure or something, I'm out of my depth now, I've never even listened to a Miles Davis album, so I'll doff my cap to you all and remove my oar.
(wolfie - I've never listened to a tangerinedream album either, it's a long dull story)
pilchardman
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Jazz Funk. For sure, brother!vimto said:Loved the Jazz Funk 'movement...' being in the right places at the right time had a lot to do with your cred man
Hey, Dub! Jazz Funk? Where do you stand?
Dubversion said:
kill yourself
kill yourself
hip hop comes from Jamaican sound system culture - the DJ, the selector etc.
you make this up as you go along don't you? if you're going to be so insistent, try and be right
UK hip hop is heavily influenced by reggae. By sheer coincidence my winamp playlist was on "Dreamy Days" by Roots Manuva when I read your message. As far as the influence on American hip hop of Jamaican music, beyond the focus on bass frequencies inspired by dub, you can effectively discount the rest.
pilchardman said:
on its broken, battered, petrol-soaked body. with a baseball bat and a fucking flamethrower.
the worse genre of music EVER
pilchardman
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So, you don't like Curtis Mayfield or Gil Scott Heron?!?Dubversion said:
pacmanray said:
you actually know nothing, do you? hip hop grew out of block parties which grew out of jamaican soundsystem being exported to New York from Jamaica by people like DJ Kool Herc. Hip hop MCs took their lead from reggae DJs like U Roy and Big Youth and Dillinger. this isn't opinion, this is fact.
pilchardman said:So, you don't like Curtis Mayfield or Gil Scott Heron?!?
Curtis certainly isn't jazz funk, Gil Scott Heron is only very loosely of that ilk. neither are widely considered jazz funk
I like Fats Domino (he's alive !) and George Benson - but you may class Domino as more blues-sy. So in short, I don't like jazz ore than any other form of music, I'm willing to listen to it, but I find a lot of jazz quite pretentious; I've been to Matt and Phred's Jazz Club in Manchester to see live acts, and it was very dreary.
!) and George Benson - but you may class Domino as more blues-sy. So in short, I don't like jazz ore than any other form of music, I'm willing to listen to it, but I find a lot of jazz quite pretentious; I've been to Matt and Phred's Jazz Club in Manchester to see live acts, and it was very dreary.pilchardman
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Yes they are.Dubversion said:
The dividing line between 70s Ghetto Funk and Jazz isn't there. It's like funk is the lake and jazz is New Orleans, and the dividing line is the levee as of last week.
pacmanray said:
no, numbnuts. we were talking about ORIGINS. don't try and weasel out of it.
try this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kool_DJ_Herc
pilchardman said:
they may meet in the middle, but there's still a fucking ocean between Average fucking White Band and Move On Up.
ultimately, there are no dividing lines full stop, especially not in black / soul music. where gospel becomes soul becomes funk becomes disco becomes hip hop. so yeh, Mayfield and AWB are on the same line, but a long way apart
um... i joined in a bad, place... yeah?)pilchardman
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The Average White Band??!!!????Dubversion said:
How did they get into this discussion?
[Aren't they banned from this forum....runs to FAQ]
pilchardman said:The Average White Band??!!!????
How did they get into this discussion?
[Aren't they banned from this forum....runs to FAQ]
you're telling me AWB aren't jazz funk? and if they are, do you still feel comfortable including Mayfield?
If this is a dick measuring contest, then I'll tell you what, let's call it quits and say yours is of epic proportions shall we? 
First of all, Kool Herc used jazz records some of the time, and if you don't understand how DJs used records for breaks then you don't understand shit, perhaps in your imagination MCs were rapping over reggae records, but the rest of us live in something funky called reality.
Secondly, Kool Herc used a number of other styles for breaks.
Third of all, Kool Herc was just one, albeit popular, DJ.
Fourth of all, if you think you can attribute hip hop to one single source, you're spending too much time learning about the world from online encyclopedias.
First of all, Kool Herc used jazz records some of the time, and if you don't understand how DJs used records for breaks then you don't understand shit, perhaps in your imagination MCs were rapping over reggae records, but the rest of us live in something funky called reality.
Secondly, Kool Herc used a number of other styles for breaks.
Third of all, Kool Herc was just one, albeit popular, DJ.
Fourth of all, if you think you can attribute hip hop to one single source, you're spending too much time learning about the world from online encyclopedias.
pilchardman
Dances With Penguins
I'm telling you the AWB aren't discussed in polite company.Dubversion said:
But that 70s funk was jazz.
ooh, hark at her. getting a bit overexcited because somebody dared to challenge your rather absolutist opinions.
thing is, monkey boy, you're moving the goalposts on your original claim AND putting words into my mouth. and don't presume to tell me what i do or don't know, it makes you look like a cunt.
thing is, monkey boy, you're moving the goalposts on your original claim AND putting words into my mouth. and don't presume to tell me what i do or don't know, it makes you look like a cunt.
pilchardman
Dances With Penguins
He thinks it means the Average White Band.vimto said:
pilchardman said:He thinks it means the Average White Band.
oh no - it also means Roy Ayers and Lonnie Liston Smith. who are both fucking abominations too
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