Do Swappies buy their own paper and how many issues each?

[rednblack]

Despite the fact that I slugged my guts out for that party, only to flush any trace of revolutionary politics down the toilet of electorialism?

Don't make me laugh.

the fact is he's to lazy to rejoin and find out what it's like inside that bloated corpse nowadays - so the only thing he can do to defend it is drunken rants against those who get worn out by it

if bolshie actually rejoined the swp tomorrow he'd be out again by august

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Whatever. If this is how you treat people who leave then quite frankly good fucking riddance.

oh dear is this the ortho trot answer to politics, no it's just another renegade

 

[bolshiebhoy]

the fact is he's to lazy to rejoin and find out what it's like inside that bloated corpse nowadays - so the only thing he can do to defend it is drunken rants against those who get worn out by it

if bolshie actually rejoined the swp tomorrow he'd be out again by august

a) you take for granted I'm drunk

b) I might just be pissed off with the world

c) renegades are just that especially when they are liberals before and after they leave a revolutionary party

 

[butchersapron]

c) renegades are just that especially when they are liberals before and after they leave a revolutionary party

I think maybe the SWP is churning them out?

 

[bolshiebhoy]

...just how deep a hole can a jealous man dig...

of what...? membership of the third smallest trot group in britain?

 

[butchersapron]

of what...? membership of the third smallest trot group in britain?

Of those still in the SWP. Of those 'active'.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

I think maybe the SWP is churning them out?

always did, but then that's par for the course...kameneve and zinoviev were famous ones and much closer to the real maccoy than this fucking liberal

 

[emanymton]

PS I never felt under any pressure for not selling papers, you are of course expected to try but no one ever moaned at me for being crap at it, and I’m really crap at it. I also did mange to get the number of papers we where sent reduced but it was a bit of a struggle.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Would WP members like to come back on this?

Can't you defend your new politics any better than you did your supposed old? No? Probly not you wannabe

 

[butchersapron]

always did, but then that's par for the course...kameneve and zinoviev were famous ones and much closer to the real maccoy than this fucking liberal

But it worked for them - it ain't working for the SWP. Even they recognise it.

 

[rednblack]

bolshie are you honestly claiming you're not drunk?

 

[bolshiebhoy]

bolshie are you honestly claiming you're not drunk?

have i ever asked you that mate?

 

[rednblack]

if people are liberals before during and after they leave the swp what does that say for the swp?

 

[butchersapron]

Can't you defend your new politics any better than you did your supposed old? No? Probly not you wannabe

Fair play, you have to be able to defend it soli. We tried you on stat cap and it was a fudge. 'Well you don't need to reject the idea od state capitalism..blah'

 

[rednblack]

have i ever asked you that mate?

no idea, i am quite drunk at the moment though...

 

[Groucho]

Bleedin' 'ell.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

no idea, i am quite drunk at the moment though...

oh in that case so am I. and the only thihng stopping me rejoining is laziness and a mutual agreement with a right-wing wife that we won't do politics till our boy gets older. Sad i know but there you are.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Fair play, you have to be able to defend it soli. We tried you on stat cap and it was a fudge. 'Well you don't need to reject the idea od state capitalism..blah'

he was fudging it before then..if only you saw the pms between swpies and their loyal wankers (i.e me and maybe flim)

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Bleedin' 'ell.

To me and about thirty other lapsed members of 'the party' that i know and would give my life for there is only one revolutionary marxist party in this country and it ain't fecking wp or the sp. Renegades be stuffed.

 

[butchersapron]

he was fudging it before then..if only you saw the pms between swpies and their loyal wankers (i.e me and maybe flim)

Best kept to yourself though BB. Seriously, if you have a problem with some ones actions bring it back tommorow. When we've all sobered up. If it's still nagging you, we can do it then...no harm done by a days wait...

 

[emanymton]

To me and about thirty other lapsed members of 'the party' that i know and would give my life for there is only one revolutionary marxist party in this country and it ain't fecking wp or the sp. Renegades be stuffed.

The AWL?

 

[rednblack]

a mutual agreement with a right-wing wife that we won't do politics till our boy gets older. Sad i know but there you are.

i know, tbh i was needling you in the hope of a reaction, me being drunk and knowing you are etc

 

[rednblack]

he was fudging it before then..if only you saw the pms between swpies and their loyal wankers (i.e me and maybe flim)

only you now i'm afraid, i think flimsiers flown the coop, he'll be joining grtho in libdem land before we know it

 

[Solidarnosc]

Fudging what, exactly? I'm drunk too and I can't be arsed to go into it all. But for you BB to accuse me of being a semi-marxist and then a liberal - without evidence - is pritty low.

You should back up that charge.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Best kept to yourself though BB. Seriously, if you have a problem with some ones actions bring it back tommorow. When we've all sobered up. If it's still nagging you, we can do it then...no harm done by a days wait...

no problem with actions, just that by his posts he was always as Maggie would say 'a wet'

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Fudging what, exactly? I'm drunk too and I can't be arsed to go into it all. But for you BB to accuse me of being a semi-marxist and then a liberal - without evidence - is pritty low.

You should back up that charge.

look at your posts, always trying to accomodate the middle ground..how does that fit with you newfound leninst orthodoxy? Don't make me laugh. WP are opportunist beyond belief.

 

[rednblack]

no problem with actions, just that by his posts he was always as Maggie would say 'a wet'

can't say i ever got that impression- just willing to be open minded (at least more than the average swap) if he was a liberal wouldnt he have just left the swp and not joined the wp

 

[bolshiebhoy]

only you now i'm afraid, i think flimsiers flown the coop, he'll be joining grtho in libdem land before we know it

grtho is voting yellow? Don't believe it mate. But especially of flim. Don't ruin all my illusions.

 

[Solidarnosc]

There is a difference between "orthodoxy" and being open minded and not having your head up your arse. Just because I'm civil in most discussion I have doesn't make me a liberal.

I even - shock horror - have always read the wider left press, and I still do. And you know what? People in WP don't think I'm disloyal for doing so.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

There is a difference between "orthodoxy" and being open minded and not having your head up your arse. Just because I'm civil in most discussion I have doesn't make me a liberal.

I even - shock horror - have always read the wider left press, and I still do. And you know what? People in WP don't think I'm disloyal for doing so.

yeah but you're only a candidate member you numpty