do people that work in advertising deserve to live?
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fudgefactorfive
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what to do about this
obviously we can't mount a massive campaign of anti-advertising awareness since we would be doing exactly what we are accusing them of. capitalist competition for hearts and minds is so bloody fierce now that any kind of grassroots movement against it would fail utterly anyway even if taking them on their own ground wasn't riddled with hypocrisy.
so any action has to be in the form of mutual support within communities, I suppose. they could choose whether that was legal or illegal. public space should be reclaimed; if democracy is worth the bucket it's been shat into, local pressure on a local council to remove billboards should eventually pay off. people who get busted for illegally pulling down billboards should be supported by their communities - not that i would ever advocate damaging private property, of course, that would be wrong and naughty.
i like subvertising but it sometimes comes across as a bit too knowing and namby-pamby. being clever is all well and good but perhaps wholesale destruction might pay more dividends.
e-mail is fairly easy to de-spam. phones - less easy. full telephone exchanges are beyond the means of most small businesses and community organisations. I wonder if there are any cheap'n'cheerful number-blocking systems? Communities that trust each other could share info on cold calling offenders. You'd have to be careful that such a system wasn't subverted by false blacklisters blocking innocent numbers to the point where the system has to be abandoned - so keep it local, mutual, within your own physical community. Failing that, we just torch all the call centres.
television - not a problem - about to disappear up its own arse anyway. you can already download the minute fraction of televisual entertainment that has any quality or anything to teach you for free, without adverts, off the net. if the net goes down, we have wireless now - doesn't take much investment to start a local wireless net, self-policed. we'll all be enjoying our work too much to waste time box-goggling anyhow.
lastly, mild shunning of people who do the work. i'm not suggesting anything really nasty. no not pissing on people on fire, for example - piss away. feed them and clothe them if you must. just don't let them have much fun. alternatively, offer them a proper job.
obviously we can't mount a massive campaign of anti-advertising awareness since we would be doing exactly what we are accusing them of. capitalist competition for hearts and minds is so bloody fierce now that any kind of grassroots movement against it would fail utterly anyway even if taking them on their own ground wasn't riddled with hypocrisy.
so any action has to be in the form of mutual support within communities, I suppose. they could choose whether that was legal or illegal. public space should be reclaimed; if democracy is worth the bucket it's been shat into, local pressure on a local council to remove billboards should eventually pay off. people who get busted for illegally pulling down billboards should be supported by their communities - not that i would ever advocate damaging private property, of course, that would be wrong and naughty.
i like subvertising but it sometimes comes across as a bit too knowing and namby-pamby. being clever is all well and good but perhaps wholesale destruction might pay more dividends.
e-mail is fairly easy to de-spam. phones - less easy. full telephone exchanges are beyond the means of most small businesses and community organisations. I wonder if there are any cheap'n'cheerful number-blocking systems? Communities that trust each other could share info on cold calling offenders. You'd have to be careful that such a system wasn't subverted by false blacklisters blocking innocent numbers to the point where the system has to be abandoned - so keep it local, mutual, within your own physical community. Failing that, we just torch all the call centres.
television - not a problem - about to disappear up its own arse anyway. you can already download the minute fraction of televisual entertainment that has any quality or anything to teach you for free, without adverts, off the net. if the net goes down, we have wireless now - doesn't take much investment to start a local wireless net, self-policed. we'll all be enjoying our work too much to waste time box-goggling anyhow.
lastly, mild shunning of people who do the work. i'm not suggesting anything really nasty. no not pissing on people on fire, for example - piss away. feed them and clothe them if you must. just don't let them have much fun. alternatively, offer them a proper job.
fudgefactorfive
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riddled with problems. anyone can dial 141 to be listed as unknown. telephone switchboards often confound caller ID. all calls from our house come up as a non-IDed caller because we use one of those intermediary cheapo calls boxes. mentally maintaining a list of every spammer on the planet by phone number is not an inconsiderable effort either.
if you're a community org, you don't want to cut your baby's nose off to spite the bathwater's face. you'd have to answer anonymous calls in case you're blocking people that need your help. i want some system installed in the exchange to blacklist timewasters, selfish commercial orgs that are pissing away everybody else's time, money and mental health.
if you're a community org, you don't want to cut your baby's nose off to spite the bathwater's face. you'd have to answer anonymous calls in case you're blocking people that need your help. i want some system installed in the exchange to blacklist timewasters, selfish commercial orgs that are pissing away everybody else's time, money and mental health.
fudgefactorfive
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i'm getting that numbed out feeling again
Maggot
The Cake of Liberty
I'm no fan of advertising, but I think it's a neccessary evil.
Imagine a world with no advertising: We'd have no TV channels apart from the BBC, no channel 4, no live sport etc; there would be no commercial breaks during which we could get a cup of tea or a beer or go to the toilet; All newspapers and magazines would either not exist or cost 3 times the price; Many cultural and sporting events couldn't survive without sponsorship.
Imagine a world with no advertising: We'd have no TV channels apart from the BBC, no channel 4, no live sport etc; there would be no commercial breaks during which we could get a cup of tea or a beer or go to the toilet; All newspapers and magazines would either not exist or cost 3 times the price; Many cultural and sporting events couldn't survive without sponsorship.
fudgefactorfive
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sounds great. especially the part about sofa-loafing sports fans actively urinating on themselves because commercial breaks no longer exist. i'd pay to watch that instead of adverts.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Advertising and marketing execs are as much a product of the capitalist system as any other social grouping that's a creation of the economic system, only Fudgey's politics make it OK to shout at ad execs but not OK to yell at chavs.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Bernays was a twat who had a very shakey grasp of what he was talking about IMV. Much of what he says is correct, but it's more down to luck and intuition than actual thinking.
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