tbaldwin said:
You listen to Skrewdriver?!
Some sort of S&M thing eh?
Do you turn it down when your missus is around?
Do people know the difference?
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You listen to Skrewdriver?!
Some sort of S&M thing eh?
Do you turn it down when your missus is around?
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
oh gawd...I'll take this s-l-o-w-l-y. anthropologists have proven that ALL human life had a start point of kenya's rift valley, millions of years ago. for most of it's history this island has been uninhabited by human life.tbaldwin said:
more recently; the celts came, then romans, then saxons, angles, jutes, picts, nordic peoples, normans, southern french etc.....we are ALL descended from immigrants, dependent on how far back you go.
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don't be a div mate; yes of COURSe capitalists like immigration, but so do anarchiosts and socialists because by definition they believe the freedom of people should come before and above government diktat. borders are a tool of government and capitalist control
SuburbanCasual said:You listen to Skrewdriver?!
Some sort of S&M thing eh?
Do you turn it down when your missus is around?
Not really my type of mucus....I must confess.....It was a joke on a music thread....That Comrade Violent Panda spotted...
I must get Geeta to listen to White Power though maybe we could mix it with ebony and ivory and dont believe the hype......
tbaldwin said:
Make a video of you both dancing to it and stick it on youtube
tbaldwin said:
You should for double irony, make sure she is wearing a Ben Sherman and an England baseball cap.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
look - are you being intentionally thick? it's f-ing obvious what I meant; a capitalist supporting one thing for one reason DOESN'T stop an anrcho or red from suppporting it for different reasons, or make those reasons any less valid.tbaldwin said:
and the reason YET AGAIN: people's freedom to go where they choose is more important than the capitalist elite's desire to control our movements.
fuck you're hard work....
Red Jezza said:
Yep and a fascist supporting one thing and a socialist supporting that for another reason doesnt make those reasons any less valid.
You see?
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
if you can think of anmy issue where fash and trot would vote the same way, you're a better man than me....
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
Europe.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The anti-Semitic riots in York weren't about immigration. At the time there were probably less than 2,000 Jews in the entire British Isles.tbaldwin said:
They were about the monarchy scapegoating the Jews to get out of repaying loans.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Red Jezza said:eeek!
let me rephrase it here; "I have tried to educate balders as to the notion that some people will understand the difference, some won't, and some don't believe there is a difference"
Glad you rephrased it. I mean, there's rough trade and then there's rough trade!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
SuburbanCasual said:You listen to Skrewdriver?!
Some sort of S&M thing eh?
Do you turn it down when your missus is around?
Probably, and turns it up when his girlfriend is around.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
oooh please I've just had a plate of pastaViolentPanda said:Glad you rephrased it. I mean, there's rough trade and then there's rough trade!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Red Jezza said:
In fact we arguably wouldn't have had such strong socialist and anarchist currents in the UK in the 19th and early 20th century if it hadn't been for immigration.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
ermm...that's about umpteen different issues rolled into one, and even then they wouldn't necessarily do so, not ALL trot and ALL fashDonna Ferentes said:
"Yep and a fascist supporting one thing and a socialist supporting that for another reason doesnt make those reasons any less valid.You see?"
unless of course its scapegoating 'immigrants' as THE main topic of the moment. New labour's offensive <yep they are > on the health Service, George Bush sending thousands more troops to Iraq - now those are real issues
unless of course its scapegoating 'immigrants' as THE main topic of the moment. New labour's offensive <yep they are
> on the health Service, George Bush sending thousands more troops to Iraq - now those are real issues
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
tbaldwin said:
The fact that you think it's something worthy of a joke is in itself disturbing, given some of the lyrics on that album.
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
I'm fairly sure a large proortion of both would do so.Red Jezza said:ermm...that's about umpteen different issues rolled into one, and even then they wouldn't necessarily do so, not ALL trot and ALL fash
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
still lotsa different issues....
Red Jezza said:
The war in Iraq
Leaving Europe.ViolentPanda said:
Fucking hell! You're a numpty.
Any normal person reading this thread is not going to be persuaded of the 'merits' of immigration.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
there is certainly not unity amongst all socialists of all stripes on 'leaving europe' (I presume you mean the EU) and Iraq kinda proves my original point: we ALL know it was wrong, and the fact that even the fash think so just shows even they - very occasionally - get it rightSuburbanCasual said:The war in Iraq
Red Jezza said:
Do you see how it illustrates my point though? Just because someone is critical of immigration doesnt make them a national socialist
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
tbaldwin said:
I's fairly easy to look at what indigenous political movements were around at the time, and to subtract the influences that immigrants had. Yes, we would have still heard all these political philosophies second-hand, but would they have affected the grassroots activity of politically-motivated leftists and anarchists? Not to the same extent, I'd argue, because the immigrant community, especially from central and eastern Europe, delivered ideas that were supported by experience.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
SuburbanCasual said:Fucking hell! You're a numpty.
Any normal person reading this thread is not going to be persuaded of the 'merits' of immigration.
And your "point" has exactly what to do with what I was taxing tbaldwin about...?
Nothing, that's what, "numpty".
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