Do people know the difference?

[tbaldwin]

in that case maybe the aboriginese should repatriate all the ex-cons we dumped in australia <just think - that bloke who owns the sun would have to start paying taxes > They certainly had a catastrophic effect on the local populace. Maybe we could get the Spanish to do it as well. Then people would go on about what a strain the were on our resources AND you'd have a crime wave to go on about as well, without the racial element

The question of immigration might be linked to race in your mind.But there are a vast number of white migrants as well. White South Africans and Australians in the UK often find it a lot easier to get jobs than Black or Asian people.
I dont want to limit migration on race grounds i want to limit it for internationalist reasons.

 

[SuburbanCasual]

Immigration is bad for the immigrants, their families and the communities they leave behind - it is also bad for indigenous workers, their families and their communities.

If anything I would think that those of a pro-immigration persuasion are more contemptuous of immigrants as they tend to look at them purely by how much they can contribute to the economy, as if they are just another comodity rather than actual human beings.

 

[tbaldwin]

Immigration is bad for the immigrants, their families and the communities they leave behind - it is also bad for indigenous workers, their families and their communities.

If anything I would think that those of a pro-immigration persuasion are more contemptuous of immigrants as they tend to look at them purely by how much they can contribute to the economy, as if they are just another comodity rather than actual human beings.

I dont think its all bad for some immigrants but i agree with the main thrust of your arguement...A lot of people on the Liberal Left do seem to have contempt for people....And want to pat themsleves on the back on how nice they are to immigrants not like those dreadful proles who say things like " but some of my best friends are black"

 

[durruti02]

Immigration is bad for the immigrants, their families and the communities they leave behind - it is also bad for indigenous workers, their families and their communities.

If anything I would think that those of a pro-immigration persuasion are more contemptuous of immigrants as they tend to look at them purely by how much they can contribute to the economy, as if they are just another comodity rather than actual human beings.

one of the untalked about things re immigration .. that basically we now have a serf class .. blacks and slavs!! ... which are treated with contempt .. how does this make society better???? you would think the left would be campigning to get kids off the dole and into traiing and work!!

 

[tbaldwin]

one of the untalked about things re immigration .. that basically we now have a serf class .. blacks and slavs!! ... which are treated with contempt .. how does this make society better???? you would think the left would be campigning to get kids off the dole and into traiing and work!!

Many Employers undoubtedly prefer Aussie and South African backpackers.
As you pointed out on another thread Unemployment among young people in London ( and especially Black people) is very high.
The people arguing for economic migration generally tend to be White,Affluent and in work.

 

[nino_savatte]

durruti02 is a fascist and that's all there is to it tbaldwin.

So is tbaldwin...either that or he's a national socialist.

 

[tbaldwin]

So is tbaldwin...either that or he's a national socialist.

This from the man who said he thought i was mad when i said that higher education was a privellege....Taking it as just another of my ill educated and ill informed views.....Until it was pointed out that just 1% of the worlds population has a higher education and then he disappeared for a few weeks....
Welcome back nino,you Tory Twat....

 

[nino_savatte]

This from the man who said he thought i was mad when i said that higher education was a privellege....Taking it as just another of my ill educated and ill informed views.....Until it was pointed out that just 1% of the worlds population has a higher education and then he disappeared for a few weeks....
Welcome back nino,you Tory Twat....

Still listening to Skrewdriver, balders?

 

[nino_savatte]

Still trolling, balders?

 

[nino_savatte]

David Copeland described himself as a "socialist". He's a bit like you in that respect.

 

[nino_savatte]

Well, balders?

 

[belboid]

Immigration is bad for the immigrants, their families and the communities they leave behind - it is also bad for indigenous workers, their families and their communities.

If anything I would think that those of a pro-immigration persuasion are more contemptuous of immigrants as they tend to look at them purely by how much they can contribute to the economy, as if they are just another comodity rather than actual human beings.

fuck me you really ARE a reactionary little shit arent you??!! I almost gave you the benefit of the doubt later on yesterday, how wrong I would have been.

All immigration is bad for all indigenous workers? Gosh, how great our lives would be had there never been any migration. Imagine the wonders of British industry and culture!

 

[tbaldwin]

Well, balders?

Now where is that thread you know the one on higher education?

Oh sorry you missed it....What a shame.....Cos it kind of exposed your turgid right wing politics....

 

[tbaldwin]

Still listening to Skrewdriver, balders?

Oh Yes while running around Brixton in my SS Gear murdering my Girlfriend Wife and Children.....

 

[nino_savatte]

Oh Yes while running around Brixton in my SS Gear murdering my Girlfriend Wife and Children.....

So you aren't denying it, you listen to Skrewdriver.

 

[nino_savatte]

Now where is that thread you know the one on higher education?

Oh sorry you missed it....What a shame.....Cos it kind of exposed your turgid right wing politics....

You're a national socialist - aren't you, balders?

 

[nino_savatte]

Are you all for "looking after your own", balders?

 

[nino_savatte]

there is a difference between being anti immigration and anti immigrant. Or anti racism and anti racist...

Bullshit.

 

[Streathamite]

A lot of the time on urban75 it seems there are loads of people who really dont understand that there is a difference between being anti immigration and anti immigrant. Or anti racism and anti racist...

Why is that, can some of those people and perhaps others explain that?

because people are all different individuals, hmm?

 

[nino_savatte]

because people are all different individuals, hmm?

Balders has sort of overlooked that salient fact.

 

[Streathamite]

i've tried so often to hammer it in to him. words fail me

 

[ViolentPanda]

i've tried so often to hammer it in to him. words fail me

1) Nice to see you around.

2) You might want to change the wording slightly, at the moment it reads like you'd lower yourself to having sexual congress with him!

 

[tbaldwin]

Bullshit.

Why am i not suprised that you cant tell the difference between being anti immigration and anti immigrant and between being anti racism and anti racist?

You show yourself up time and time again to be extremely narrow minded and bigoted.

 

[tbaldwin]

So you aren't denying it, you listen to Skrewdriver.

Why would i deny that?

 

[Streathamite]

2) You might want to change the wording slightly, at the moment it reads like you'd lower yourself to having sexual congress with him!

eeek!
let me rephrase it here; "I have tried to educate balders as to the notion that some people will understand the difference, some won't, and some don't believe there is a difference"

 

[Streathamite]

Why am i not suprised that you cant tell the difference between being anti immigration and anti immigrant and between being anti racism and anti racist?

You show yourself up time and time again to be extremely narrow minded and bigoted.

balders, you are aware that the entire history of the UK is one of immigration, and the entire history of humankind one of migration, aren't you?
what's wrong with people being free to go where they wish anyway?

 

[nino_savatte]

You show yourself up time and time again to be extremely narrow minded and bigoted.

You're projecting again, balders.

 

[nino_savatte]

Why would i deny that?

Dunno, you tell me, you're the clever one.

 

[tbaldwin]

balders, you are aware that the entire history of the UK is one of immigration, and the entire history of humankind one of migration, aren't you?
what's wrong with people being free to go where they wish anyway?

1 The entire history No. But i was aware that britain has had lots of immigration over the centuries..Anti Semitic riots in York in the 11th century,Race riots in Cardiff 1919 etc etc.

2 Nothing if your a Capitalist...Its really good cos then you have the freedom to go exactly where you like....

 

[tbaldwin]

Dunno, you tell me, you're the clever one.

I wouldnt really....Maybe i'm not so clever eh.....