HarrisonSlade
say NO to the vaccine
If you think that the vote is just some X in a ballot box then you have obviously no desire or knowledge about Democracyrevol68 said:
Do Labour voters have any blood on their hands?
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tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
revol68 said:
i don't think it would have made any difference who was in power
we were doomed to be dragged in threats of withdrawal or loss of favours to trade, and debt's as yet unpaid, and american private investment in the uk, which most of the UK won't be aware of (and I'm not sure who owns what, but I know my cable co. is american owned - ie telewest)
tangentlama said:
We where `doomed`to be involved in iraq after the US bailed out the UK in the balkens. Aftrer Blair talked tough, but didn`t have the militry strength to back it up, without NATO.
as too the oringinal poster and all you who have gone along with his views. Typical swp shit(or the like).you don`t condemn the sucide bombers, your apologists for these bastards.
And as for the likes of Respect/GG/Swp , these have been telling people to vote labour for years (but only while there where killing secular arabs,commies,argentinians,serbs, selling arms to dictators etc). So fuck off.
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
james_walsh said:
hang on a dog gone minute
the UK was dragged into Gulf I in the early 1990's when the tories were in power
Blair didn't get into power until 1997
the UN made clear warnings to Kosovo to implement a ceasefire with clear warning that intervention would follow were this not to be implemented
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/1998/kosovo/99748.stm
i'm not in favour of war, so don't tell me to fuck off
Im talking about the kosavo war. and labour supported the Gulf war. Also Britain had involvements in the middle east , though out the 60`s, where the SAS was actively involved in militry action.tangentlama said:
Ps, not that Labour objected too Britain getting involved in the Balkens, when Major was PM. In fact they encouraged it.
Badger Kitten
oof
I voted Labour twice, then spoiled my vote last time because of the war. Because I felt there was no-one who deserved my vote.
I marched against the war and protested many times but it went ahead anyway. I don't think I have blood on my hands.
I don't know what I can do apart from keep saying Not in my name.
I don't think people deserve the leadership that they have.
I marched against the war and protested many times but it went ahead anyway. I don't think I have blood on my hands.
I don't know what I can do apart from keep saying Not in my name.
I don't think people deserve the leadership that they have.
stupid kid
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No. It may be fair to say that the people who voted, in 2001, for MPs who voted in favour of war are in some way responsible for the war. Btw, only people who live in Sedgefield can vote on whether Tony Blair is elected or not.JonnyBravo said:
pilchardman
Dances With Penguins
You so are!Geri said:
I think arguments that all people who vote for a particular party are then responsible for what that party does are reductionist and specious. Some Labour voters are decent people (as are a few Labour MPs) who don't deserve to be lumped together with scum like Blair, Straw, Hoon, Blears, et al. I personally didn't vote Labour (and won't unless they change massively), but surely if you're going to profess democracy and to take part in the democratic process, you have to accept that people have the right to vote for whoever they want.
pilchardman
Dances With Penguins
No, voting is for Infidels! And they must Die Die Die!Nemo said:
pilchardman
Dances With Penguins
He voted for a Sushi party? Is that halal?Nemo said:
pilchardman
Dances With Penguins
Nemo said:No, the 'Sir, I salute your indefatigability' party.
pilchardman
Dances With Penguins
I didn't vote. But not for Islamic reasons. So I should be killed anyway.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
I think the point is, they don't give a fuck. And that's what the 7/7 bombings were about, they're weren't pissed off with Blair, but with the public for re-electing the war criminal.JonnyBravo said:
What the re-election of Blair demonstrated was that the UK public's priorities are the economy, education and the NHS.
Despite the hang-wringing and platitudes, what is done in our name around the world is of little consequnce when push comes to shove.
If you read the text of the recent vid - or watch the vid - that's what the 7/7 bombers had the hump with.
I reckon the matter of a vote is a red herring. It is just an X on a piece of paper. However, people who live in a society have collective responsibility for the acts of that society in proportion to the freedom of that society and in inverse proportion to how hard they tried to oppose the act itself.
In short, you have blood on your hands in proportion to what you did about the war. If you actively supported it, you are responsible for dead babies. If you did nothing about it, you are responsible for dead, unattractive adults, if you opposed it as much as a human being could, you are okay. Or something like that.
In short, you have blood on your hands in proportion to what you did about the war. If you actively supported it, you are responsible for dead babies. If you did nothing about it, you are responsible for dead, unattractive adults, if you opposed it as much as a human being could, you are okay. Or something like that.
Geri said:
Where all going to hell in a handbasket!!!!!
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
I suppose the problem I can't get past is that if 'society' (collective responsibility) isn't responsible for the actions of that society, who is ?
I'm going to ring up my dad, right now, and tell him that because he went twitching on the day of the anti-war demo he is personally responsible for the deaths of thousands. And because he did his five-yearly bit of political activity and leafleted his estate for Labour on the eve of poll he is, basically, a war criminal.
Clintons Cat
Walks Like A Twat.
I don't think Labour voters have blod on their hands.
But i do think it highlights the flaws in the first past the post style of democracy as opposed to say Preportional representation when it comes to democratic accountability.
But i do think it highlights the flaws in the first past the post style of democracy as opposed to say Preportional representation when it comes to democratic accountability.
cockneyrebel
New Member
Obviously I don’t agree with the premise of what the post starter is saying, but what do people think about the general question of responsibility in terms of voting.
Should people take any responsibility if they vote in BNP candidates? Should of the German people who voted in the Nazis take any responsibility for what they did? Or is the whole way that kind of question is asked a nonsense in the first place?
Should people take any responsibility if they vote in BNP candidates? Should of the German people who voted in the Nazis take any responsibility for what they did? Or is the whole way that kind of question is asked a nonsense in the first place?
As promised I rang up the old man. Almost at once he broke down. Freely and frankly did he confess his crimes against the people.
"Consequently, I plead guilty to what directly follows from this, the sum total of crimes committed by this counter-revolutionary organization, irrespective of whether or not I knew of, whether or not I took direct part, in any particular act," he wept. "But I was keen to see that heron again, and auld Frank up the road and me have been doing the leaflet for 25 years."
I shook my head, more in sorrow than in anger. At least he was prepared to confront his treachery of revolutionary principles. Not even Rubashov was so keen to unburden his guilt. Still, he'll have time to reflect on his actions after I sentenced him to five years hard labour down the allotment.
"Consequently, I plead guilty to what directly follows from this, the sum total of crimes committed by this counter-revolutionary organization, irrespective of whether or not I knew of, whether or not I took direct part, in any particular act," he wept. "But I was keen to see that heron again, and auld Frank up the road and me have been doing the leaflet for 25 years."
I shook my head, more in sorrow than in anger. At least he was prepared to confront his treachery of revolutionary principles. Not even Rubashov was so keen to unburden his guilt. Still, he'll have time to reflect on his actions after I sentenced him to five years hard labour down the allotment.
If I had voted for the pro-war MP in my area (Stephen Twigg) I would have felt I was saying 'hey, I know you voted for an illegal invasion that has just descended a nation into hell and slaughtered thousands and thousands of people, but I don't actually care about that too much'. There's simply no way my conscience would have allowed me to do that. And lots of other former Labour voters apparently felt that way too (Lib Dems doubled their vote and Greens, who I voted for, didn't do too badly).
Therefore the Tory got in - but I was still pleased that Twigg was punished for being Blair's loyal little murderous lackey.
Therefore the Tory got in - but I was still pleased that Twigg was punished for being Blair's loyal little murderous lackey.
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