Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by Watermelon Man, Jul 10, 2017.

  1. 8ball

    8ball Considerably more oppressed than yow

    The “flexitarian” thing is a big driver and cutting down on meat is generally likely to increase demand for certain products.

    I’m not a fashion aficionado but was surprised to see a reference to a lot of people wearing fur. I thought real fur had been “out” for quite a while.

    So we have flexitarian (not vegan), “plant based” (is that eating vegan for health reasons but not being bothered about wearing leather?), “emo vegan” (no idea what that is), and a couple of levels of purity to contend with (perhaps ideological/political rather than practical).

    Plenty going on there.
     
  2. PaoloSanchez

    PaoloSanchez Well-Known Member

    imo the labels commonly attached to what people do is a bit of a side issue and is not really that important.

    I have no idea what a "flexitarian" really is, it could be that it is more offensive than the dreaded "carnist" word that some folks here have been having kittens over. Without looking it up I'm guessing that it's nothing more than a slightly modified "I eat anything" omnivorous diet with a bit less meat to make the participants feel a bit less guilty about the animals that get slaughtered on their behalf.

    Obviously the less unnecessary killing the better, I think most reasonably compassionate people would at least agree on that. (hardcore carnists probably won't care that much) The disagreement comes with how to achieve this reduced amount of killing. There are some meat eating apologists who contend that the vegan position is far too extreme and that it is the fault of vegans that so many people are still eating meat. (vegans keep shoving bits of beef down their throats?) If only vegans would accept that killing animals when we don't need to is perfectly ok then everything will be hunky dory.
     
  3. PaoloSanchez

    PaoloSanchez Well-Known Member

    Excellent bit of local activism... (free brownies and "cheese")



    Slowly but surely it's getting through.
     
  4. Watermelon Man

    Watermelon Man Active Member

    A bit late to this but I see vegan football club Forest Green Rovers have Sea Shepherd logo on the back of their shirts. That's cool.

    I've also been listening to a lot of Joey Carbstrong on Irish radio. He's doing really well.
     
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  5. 8ball

    8ball Considerably more oppressed than yow

    The "carnist" term is mostly just embarassing because so many vegans don't understand what the term means and use it to mean "omnivore".
    Though the original term is sufficiently illiterate to merit no further mention imo.

    Flexitarianism is the trendy new demographic that a lot of new "vegan" products are aimed at. Its a hedge that's trying to leverage new vegans and those looking to reduce meat intake.

    I don't think "the vegan position" is terribly extreme (if we take our baseline as not ingesting products from animals which have been killed for that purpose, which is as low as you can set the bar), but it depends which vegans you're talking about. There are a great many vegan positions afaics. I expect this will fracture into an increasing number of established camps as the number of vegans increases, since feeling unsupported has led vegans to huddle together for some time and disguised the normal internal tensions that can develop.

    Or maybe their greater empathy will prevail and all vegans will mutually support each other in an era of enlightenment and mutual understanding.
     
  6. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    Reflecting on the distinction certain polemicists like to make between Plant-Based and truly Vegan, we could conclude that while Angry Vegans probably don't put people off becoming Plant-Based, there is a chance that Angry Vegans do put some people off Being Vegan.

    So that would appear to be the end of the thread.
















    It won't be, but it would appear to be.
     
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  7. 8ball

    8ball Considerably more oppressed than yow

    The confusing thing about "plant based" is that the average US diet is often referred to as "meat-based".
    Almost no one in the US eats exclusively meat, and on average less than half their protein even comes from meat (edit: it adds up to more than half once you factor in dairy - link also added cos I'm like that).
     
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  8. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    Propaganda terminology, obvs.
     
  9. 8ball

    8ball Considerably more oppressed than yow

    PETA really ramped up that side of the game. I guess they read Politics and The English Language by Orwell.
     
  10. dylanredefined

    dylanredefined Not a house elf a tiger

    Ahh the animal lovers who love killing animals.
     
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  11. 8ball

    8ball Considerably more oppressed than yow

    “Freeing” them from this life of torment.
     
  12. dylanredefined

    dylanredefined Not a house elf a tiger

    Just tried some vegan cheese quite edible.
     
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  13. 8ball

    8ball Considerably more oppressed than yow

    Gary.
     
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  14. HoratioCuthbert

    HoratioCuthbert I had estates!

    Depends on the brand, it ranges from Cold-set-vomit to not-too-bad-actually.
     
  15. HoratioCuthbert

    HoratioCuthbert I had estates!

    Was actually going to ask about vegan cheeses now you remind me, what brand are you on? Anyone know some good ones?
     
  16. 8ball

    8ball Considerably more oppressed than yow

    Gary.
     
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  17. 8ball

    8ball Considerably more oppressed than yow

    Also, there are some suggestions earlier in this thread if you do a search.
     
  18. Watermelon Man

    Watermelon Man Active Member

    To be honest, I'm not a massive fan. Violife do some decent processed type cheese that I put in on my vegan burgers. Pretty decent. Some of the stuff I've tasted at veg fests range from rank to half decent.
     
  19. PaoloSanchez

    PaoloSanchez Well-Known Member

    Mic did a pretty good examination of Professor Noakes' ideas...

     
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  20. 8ball

    8ball Considerably more oppressed than yow

    That was the one I remember being mentioned the most.
     
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  21. PaoloSanchez

    PaoloSanchez Well-Known Member

    RESPECT to FGR and Sea Shepherd doing great work.
     
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  22. PaoloSanchez

    PaoloSanchez Well-Known Member

    Joey is a giant and gets better every time I hear him.

    Great reaction to his latest video by BWP...


    "...you cannot sit there and be silent any more, it's really important to speak up..."
     
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  23. dylanredefined

    dylanredefined Not a house elf a tiger

    Tescos own with chilli good enough for chicken burgers
     
  24. 8ball

    8ball Considerably more oppressed than yow

    He’s certainly taller than I expected.
    Is there a story behind the silly name?
     
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  25. 8ball

    8ball Considerably more oppressed than yow

    Actually, meant to ask you what you meant earlier in a reference to someone 'feeling strong' after eating steak.
    Found a few references on tinternet to this. It's not something I've experienced personally.
     
  26. Watermelon Man

    Watermelon Man Active Member

    Maybe psychological? But I definitely felt stronger initially but then very sluggish for a day or so after.

    I kind of get a similar feeling after black beans without the clogged up/sluggish feeling.
     
  27. 8ball

    8ball Considerably more oppressed than yow

    Maybe psychological, maybe there's some nutrient involved, I guess.
    A mate of mine who was a long-term veggie and packed it in said he felt 'turbo charged' after eating red meat. Hard to say what was responsible given a single case. He was only eating small amounts and was trying to get stuff he could square his conscience with.

    Another who was into martial arts said on a veggie diet he felt stronger and lighter, whereas after meat he felt stronger, but a little heavier and slower.
    I'd suspect how people feel and their actual performance might differ, to be fair.

    Re: the black beans, that would suggest to me iron might be responsible, but I wouldn't expect that much effect in the very short term. There's also lots of B12 and folate in black beans, but as a vegan I'd expect you to have those well covered in any case.

    I always find hitting a good range of fruit and vegetables, plus some healthy fats, is what makes a big difference if I'm feeling a bit off.
    Especially avocado, broccoli, pulses and salmon/mackerel. With apples, sweet potatoes, peppers, carrots and tomatoes not far behind.
     
  28. not-bono-ever

    not-bono-ever Not what they want but what is good for them

  29. 8ball

    8ball Considerably more oppressed than yow

  30. NoXion

    NoXion It's been 600 years...

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