Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by Watermelon Man, Jul 10, 2017.
Ooh look. Some pesky, stereotype crushing facts
'One in four' UK dinners is vegetarian
I thought Joey did well...
I thought the discussion about the alleged offensive use of the words murder, rape and slavery was interesting, and I agree with Joey that they're playing word games rather than directly addressing the issue.
Spoiler: Full version
Spoiler: This Morning's own edited version
This Morning's edited version with the wonderfully balanced title... "Hardcore Vegan on His Militant Views Against Dairy Farmers"
Spoiler: Ask Yourself Reaction video and Analysis
But...It's Expensive To Be Vegan, Isn't It? - Vegan Coach
"There are a LOT of excuses people use for not being 100% plant-based. Though none of them are valid (unless you are a lion or tiger, or you really DO live on some barren desert island where no plants grow!), I understand where lots of them come from and can feel compassion for people who, for example, truly believe they need milk for strong bones. We are fed so much erroneous information by so many seemingly authoritative parties; it can be difficult to find the truth.
As far as veganism being expensive goes? This belief I find harder to understand. You only have to be a frequent supermarket shopper (and quite frankly, who isn't?) to see that this is not the case. In fact, it can be exactly the opposite."
"Trust me – while I absolutely feel abundant, my resources are currently limited (did you see how I tried to make my point with a positive spin there? Haha). What I'm saying is, if being vegan wasn't an economical way to eat, I definitely couldn't sustain it.
The truth is, unless you are buying coconut milk ice cream and kale chips every day, you will more likely than not SAVE money as a vegan."
Just as we now judge much of the behaviour of our ancestors to be racist or unfair in many other ways, no doubt in future our current society will be looked upon as barbaric due to our horrific treatment of animals both in the way they are slaughtered and in the cruel way that we farm them.
Can you elaborate on this please.
Nope. Unfortunately not. It`s true I tells you !
Which stereotypes are being crushed here? I don't think it's news that even meat eaters eat vegetarian meals sometimes?
Anyway, a couple of quotes from the research people, the first one to tease the vegans, the second one from the link you gave.
Why don't you use your internet to look up, I dunno, try "healthiest diet", "super-foods", "which foods should I avoid".
You'll find a thousand and one ways to dick around with your diet.
Not sure if it's Veganuary-related but there were some massive discounts on Quorn products at the supermarket last night.
It occurred to me that maybe a lot of veggies have been eschewing the Quorn for a month, leading to a bit of a glut.
I guess a lot of people really like those kale chips (link to article written by a vegan).
It costs an extra £2,000 a year to have a vegan diet, apparently | Metro News
The term "dicking around" means making a food choice that is cruelty free and healthier for the planet and it's people. Some misguided folk appear to believe that this "pastime" is only for the well to do.
You can eat vegan on a tight budget obv, but I don't think they (you?) are the people whose coin is driving the recent Big Food and media interest.
lol, not a great article tbh. The devil is in the detail, and there was a distinct lack of it.
Yeah, not the best detail. But the general rule that you're likely to end up spending more seems to be accepted on vegan forums, and on one Veganuary-related link one of the advice points was to be prepared to end up spending more (for various reasons).
Noobs starting out trying to make straight substitutions for their meat and dairy favourites are more likely be be buying more expensive processed/ready made meals, so yes, that sort of food will cost more.
As with all important areas in life, it pays to get clued up and do at least a bit of due diligence in order to get the best value for money and not get conned. Once people find their feet and have a bit more experience and knowledge, they will EASILY be able to spend the same or less than they would have been when they were consuming dead animals.
What an over emotional loon. Probably cares more about animals than people. Those words don't apply to animals.
why is meat and the lives of animals so cheap?
Yeah, that will happen during that switching over phase. Some of the extra cost was also attributed on some blog posts I saw to people becoming more aware of farming practises etc. and being more likely to choose organic etc. Plus finding enthusiasms for some of the rarer ingredients.
Comparing like with like seems difficult in this area.
Demand and modern farming technology.
do you mean slaughter and poor conditions on an industrial scale?
That answers the 'meat' part.
The "lives of animals" obviously having no monetary value.
Edit: actually technically a negative monetary value in that you have to pay a slaughterer to convert the live animal into a dead one. Making the dead one a higher-value item. Conflating moral with economic value is seldom a good idea.
Difficult to get the meat without the slaughter bit.
Pretty bloody impossible to cook it...
Quite, so the question is meaningless.
If he meant why are we so prepared to kill and eat animals, it’s because most normal people consider them to be far less important than humans and are therefore willing to exploit them to varying degrees.
I don’t think the sentence was meant to mean anything in a conventional semantic sense; I’m sure ddraig knows the answer that you’ve just given.
Not the most methodical study, I'd suggest.
Actually he's a pretty sound passionate dude, and given the "tabloid telly" situation, I thought he acquitted himself well and got his points across a lot better than the farmer couple who were rather poor imo. Dairy farmers were also portrayed as the victims due to abusive online comments attributed to "militant vegans", which is currently how the media in, particular the BBC, love to frame vegans. Unfortunately dodgy comments on the internet is the sort of thing that happens when things go viral, you get dickheads making inappropriate comments, it's not a vegan thing, it's a dickhead thing. Joey could easily have also played the victim given that he has long since been on the receiving end hateful and threatening comments but doesn't make such a big deal out of it.
Examples of the sort of things that psycho hater loons post...
I doubt if the BBC would attribute those sorts of nasty comments to "militant meat eaters".
So when i chose at the age of ten to not eat flesh i guess i was just 'dicking around'.
Internet didnt exist back then. Thanks for your advice though it was enlightening.
I dunno. Maybe he just doesn't like people.
:sigh: Misanthropy tho.
I would make a nice change to see some decent quality counter arguments rather than the same old crappy recycled ones.
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