Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by Watermelon Man, Jul 10, 2017.

  1. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Ooh look. Some pesky, stereotype crushing facts

    'One in four' UK dinners is vegetarian
     
  2. PaoloSanchez

    PaoloSanchez Well-Known Member

    I thought Joey did well...



    I thought the discussion about the alleged offensive use of the words murder, rape and slavery was interesting, and I agree with Joey that they're playing word games rather than directly addressing the issue.


    This Morning's edited version with the wonderfully balanced title... "Hardcore Vegan on His Militant Views Against Dairy Farmers"

     
  3. PaoloSanchez

    PaoloSanchez Well-Known Member

    But...It's Expensive To Be Vegan, Isn't It? - Vegan Coach

    "There are a LOT of excuses people use for not being 100% plant-based. Though none of them are valid (unless you are a lion or tiger, or you really DO live on some barren desert island where no plants grow!), I understand where lots of them come from and can feel compassion for people who, for example, truly believe they need milk for strong bones. We are fed so much erroneous information by so many seemingly authoritative parties; it can be difficult to find the truth.

    As far as veganism being expensive goes? This belief I find harder to understand. You only have to be a frequent supermarket shopper (and quite frankly, who isn't?) to see that this is not the case. In fact, it can be exactly the opposite."

    "Trust me – while I absolutely feel abundant, my resources are currently limited (did you see how I tried to make my point with a positive spin there? Haha). What I'm saying is, if being vegan wasn't an economical way to eat, I definitely couldn't sustain it.

    The truth is, unless you are buying coconut milk ice cream and kale chips every day, you will more likely than not SAVE money as a vegan."
     
  4. Blackbean

    Blackbean Banned Banned

    Just as we now judge much of the behaviour of our ancestors to be racist or unfair in many other ways, no doubt in future our current society will be looked upon as barbaric due to our horrific treatment of animals both in the way they are slaughtered and in the cruel way that we farm them.
     
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  5. Calamity1971

    Calamity1971 If Mr Peanut says It's okay, then it is.

    Can you elaborate on this please.
     
  6. Ralph Llama

    Ralph Llama ERROR 23 : DEFAULT MODE NETWORK COMPROMISED Banned

    Nope. Unfortunately not. It`s true I tells you !
     
  7. AnnaKarpik

    AnnaKarpik Queen of all she surveys

    Which stereotypes are being crushed here? I don't think it's news that even meat eaters eat vegetarian meals sometimes?

    Anyway, a couple of quotes from the research people, the first one to tease the vegans, the second one from the link you gave.

     
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  8. AnnaKarpik

    AnnaKarpik Queen of all she surveys

    Why don't you use your internet to look up, I dunno, try "healthiest diet", "super-foods", "which foods should I avoid".
    You'll find a thousand and one ways to dick around with your diet.
     
  9. 8ball

    8ball Up to something

    Not sure if it's Veganuary-related but there were some massive discounts on Quorn products at the supermarket last night.

    It occurred to me that maybe a lot of veggies have been eschewing the Quorn for a month, leading to a bit of a glut.
     
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  10. 8ball

    8ball Up to something

  11. PaoloSanchez

    PaoloSanchez Well-Known Member

    The term "dicking around" means making a food choice that is cruelty free and healthier for the planet and it's people. Some misguided folk appear to believe that this "pastime" is only for the well to do.
     
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  12. 8ball

    8ball Up to something

    You can eat vegan on a tight budget obv, but I don't think they (you?) are the people whose coin is driving the recent Big Food and media interest.
     
  13. PaoloSanchez

    PaoloSanchez Well-Known Member

  14. 8ball

    8ball Up to something

    Yeah, not the best detail. But the general rule that you're likely to end up spending more seems to be accepted on vegan forums, and on one Veganuary-related link one of the advice points was to be prepared to end up spending more (for various reasons).
     
  15. PaoloSanchez

    PaoloSanchez Well-Known Member

    Noobs starting out trying to make straight substitutions for their meat and dairy favourites are more likely be be buying more expensive processed/ready made meals, so yes, that sort of food will cost more.

    As with all important areas in life, it pays to get clued up and do at least a bit of due diligence in order to get the best value for money and not get conned. Once people find their feet and have a bit more experience and knowledge, they will EASILY be able to spend the same or less than they would have been when they were consuming dead animals.
     
  16. dylanredefined

    dylanredefined Not a house elf a tiger

    What an over emotional loon. Probably cares more about animals than people. Those words don't apply to animals.
     
  17. ddraig

    ddraig dros ben llestri

    why is meat and the lives of animals so cheap?
     
  18. 8ball

    8ball Up to something

    Yeah, that will happen during that switching over phase. Some of the extra cost was also attributed on some blog posts I saw to people becoming more aware of farming practises etc. and being more likely to choose organic etc. Plus finding enthusiasms for some of the rarer ingredients.

    Comparing like with like seems difficult in this area.
     
  19. dylanredefined

    dylanredefined Not a house elf a tiger

    Demand and modern farming technology.
     
  20. ddraig

    ddraig dros ben llestri

    do you mean slaughter and poor conditions on an industrial scale?
     
  21. 8ball

    8ball Up to something

    That answers the 'meat' part.
    The "lives of animals" obviously having no monetary value.

    Edit: actually technically a negative monetary value in that you have to pay a slaughterer to convert the live animal into a dead one. Making the dead one a higher-value item. Conflating moral with economic value is seldom a good idea.
     
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2018
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  22. 8ball

    8ball Up to something

    Difficult to get the meat without the slaughter bit.
    Pretty bloody impossible to cook it...
     
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  23. Spymaster

    Spymaster Trigger

    Quite, so the question is meaningless.

    If he meant why are we so prepared to kill and eat animals, it’s because most normal people consider them to be far less important than humans and are therefore willing to exploit them to varying degrees.
     
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  24. 8ball

    8ball Up to something

    I don’t think the sentence was meant to mean anything in a conventional semantic sense; I’m sure ddraig knows the answer that you’ve just given.
     
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2018
  25. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

  26. 8ball

    8ball Up to something

    :D
     
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  27. PaoloSanchez

    PaoloSanchez Well-Known Member

    Actually he's a pretty sound passionate dude, and given the "tabloid telly" situation, I thought he acquitted himself well and got his points across a lot better than the farmer couple who were rather poor imo. Dairy farmers were also portrayed as the victims due to abusive online comments attributed to "militant vegans", which is currently how the media in, particular the BBC, love to frame vegans. Unfortunately dodgy comments on the internet is the sort of thing that happens when things go viral, you get dickheads making inappropriate comments, it's not a vegan thing, it's a dickhead thing. Joey could easily have also played the victim given that he has long since been on the receiving end hateful and threatening comments but doesn't make such a big deal out of it.

    Examples of the sort of things that psycho hater loons post...

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    I doubt if the BBC would attribute those sorts of nasty comments to "militant meat eaters".
     
  28. Calamity1971

    Calamity1971 If Mr Peanut says It's okay, then it is.

    So when i chose at the age of ten to not eat flesh i guess i was just 'dicking around'.
    Internet didnt exist back then. Thanks for your advice though it was enlightening.
     
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  29. 8ball

    8ball Up to something

    I dunno. Maybe he just doesn't like people.
     
  30. PaoloSanchez

    PaoloSanchez Well-Known Member

    :sigh: Misanthropy tho. :rolleyes:

    I would make a nice change to see some decent quality counter arguments rather than the same old crappy recycled ones.
     

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