DJ Mag Top 100 DJs Poll
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spooney ......the guys 100% ledge
Grandma Death
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I think we should start a vote dub campaign. Kinda like the campaign to get Jedi recognised as a religion in the last census.
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Grandma Death
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jbob said:
What elitist piffle
Grandma Death said:What elitist piffle
Oh alright then; braindead fools who still consider the likes of Paul Oakenfold and Van Dyke as being relavent, despite the fact that they've never been remotely creatively/artistically significant in any way whatsoever, and generally appeal to those lacking in even the slightest spark of imagination or genuine knowledge of electronic music.
Better?
Grandma Death
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jbob said:Oh alright then; braindead fools who still consider the likes of Paul Oakenfold and Van Dyke as being relavent, despite the fact that they've never been remotely creatively/artistically significant in any way whatsoever, and generally appeal to those lacking in even the slightest spark of imagination or genuine knowledge of electronic music.
Better?
Nope still elitist piffle. Whilst you think they clearly haven't been 'remotely creatively/artistically significant in any way whatsoever' I think your statement is still snobbery. You are denigrating the tastes of others as well as describing them as stupid because its not to your own taste. Plus you seem to be totally ignoring the output of the two examples you gave who simply don't just DJ.
For example to describe someone who produced Happy Mondays' Pills 'n' Thrills and Bellyaches, as well as remixes for U2, Massive Attack, Arrested Development, The Cure, Snoop Doggy Dogg, Simply Red, New Order and The Shamen as 'never been remotely creatively/artistically significant in any way whatsoever' is rather silly.
I think you'd be better of just saying you don't rate them then post a load of elitist piffle dressed up as 'genuine' criticism.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
Oakenfold is shit though - him doing remixes for pop stars is not proof of his worth
A Dashing Blade
Takes horses to water but can't make donkeys drink
Orang Utan said:
Is shit yes, was shit 15-odd years ago . . . . ?
He was responsible for making the Happy Mondays so big iirc
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
The only thing I've liked of his are his remixes of Wrote For Luck and HallelujahA Dashing Blade said:
His remix of you're not alone by olive is cracking - a really really well produced bit of dance music. I've also got a reasonably good (goa?) trance mix by him from 1994 . . .
A Dashing Blade
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Orang Utan said:
er . . . he's credited as "Arranger, Producer, Mixing" for Pills, Thrills & Bellyaches?
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
And?A Dashing Blade said:
A Dashing Blade
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Orang Utan said:
Hmmmmm,
OK, let's get this straight.
I understand your position to be that Oakenfold is and always was shit and that your talking objectively (ie its is a fact that . . . ) rather than subjectively (ie I think that . . .)?
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
Er....it's impossible to speak objectively about music
A Dashing Blade said:
don't buy that at all. It's impossible to play these kinds of 'what ifs' with any certainty, but the Mondays were massively ascendant as these tunes came out anyway. it would have happened.. not denying his role helped, but he wasn't 'responsible.'
A Dashing Blade
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Dubversion said:
Mondays may have been big down the Hacienda but to reach the wider audiance you need the product out on vinyl/CD
Thus "responsible" in the sense that he was majorly responsible for turning the sound made by a group of stoners (whatever) into an acceptable product ie everyone remembers Pils Thrills rather than (say) Bummed.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
Orang Utan said:
I agree. Infact I hate Oakie-always have. However to suggest he has 'never been remotely creatively/artistically significant in any way whatsoever' is naive in the extreme.
Grandma Death said:
Yeah of course it is. Some of his remixes are ace, The Closer Mix of Close To Me by the Cure springs to mind as being a goodie, although no doubt die hard cure fans will probably argue otherwise.
However I don't think he was responsible for making the Happy Mondays hit the big time.
To put it in perspective think of what the Perfecto Mix of "Even Better than the Real Thing" by U2 did for House Music. The record re-entered the UK chart at a higher spot than the original and stayed there for longer. On the flipside anyone that heard his "Essential Mix" for Radio1's Ibiza weekend last year knows he's "train wrecking" mixes too often now. Needs to use Ableton like Tong, Sasha etc.
Incidentally am I right in thinking David Guetta is over rated? Heard his set from Global Gathering the other week. Nice choice of records but relies too much on cut/drop mixing records when he really should blend his house sets, right?
Incidentally am I right in thinking David Guetta is over rated? Heard his set from Global Gathering the other week. Nice choice of records but relies too much on cut/drop mixing records when he really should blend his house sets, right?
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
It did fuck all for house musicflash said:
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