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Disrupt the Army at Colchester 15-07-2006
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nopassaran
nihilistic sumbody
cemertyone said:
Don't want you to take too much offence by what I'm going to say as we're effectively on the same side here but this attitude not only alienates people but indicates a disregard for human life as well as an insenstivity to the families of those affected - i have no time for militarism but neither do i consider myself a pacifist - however by resorting to this kind of discourse you divest any radical and revolutionary challenge to militarism as devoid of humanity and compassion - you in effect become like those you are fighting against. I think at the end of the day we need to express out anger in a rational and considered manner especially if our arguments are to be taken seriously.
I'm not sure I'd feel the same about Thatcher mind you, or indeed those members of the military responsible for human rights abuses, but I can't help thinking these are different cases by comparison.
White Lotus
Provisional Buddhist
No, that will be at the funeral. There have been several and there will probably be more, sadly. This may be difficult for you to understand, but around here we see those "dead twats" as people. My children have a school friend who has lost their father, some time ago.cemertyone said:
The other thing you need to understand is that not all the military agree with everything our politicians decide. But they are given a job to do, such as protecting civilians in Afghanistan from the Taliban (an organisation I'd certainly be hard put to defend) - and they do it.
Personally I'd rather be lobbying Blair, Bush, Sharon and those who give the orders than gloating over those who died carrying them out.
cemertyone
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Plato1983 said:
Who is this US you speak off?.....
and no i don`t have the slightist bit of remorse for the silly fuckers....is that plain enough for you to digest i wonder and how i wonder are they as you imply " Serving our nation" and what nation are you actually referring to? Don`t you actually mean that they are serving the interests of the Oil companies and pandering to an American lead agenda. if you took your head out of your arse and looked at the facts as they stand you might see that. But some how your blind and loyal stupidity over rides any intelligence you might have.
Now go lay a wreath at the cenotapth love...your heartfelt bollocks means nothing.
cemertyone
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likesfish said:though if they were serving the cause of buying slab a new farmhouse or keeping gerry in nice suits there heroic volunteers
You see that`s what i like about you...not only are you going off topic ( as usual) but like a fish you have a 3 second memory...
If you seriously believe that the UK`s armed forces are in Afganistan and Iraq to " Promote" democracy et al then you simply don`t even know the history of your own country.
I suggest you go and read up on the conflicts in Eden/Cyprus/palestine etc etc and a whole host of other places where the same bullshit was spoutted by you and your kind. Your lack of historical knowledge about the events that your fantastic army where (and are) involved in is embarrasing....for you.
But your response is typical of idiots spoon feed on a diet of Dunkirk the Somme and laterly the Falklands....
likesfish
You can't park here sir
yes the british state is run by the exactly same people and belief systems as it was fifty years ago
goverments change and society changes as well the cold wars been and gone we might be making a half arsed job in afganistan bits its not about rebuilding the british empire
but keep reading Marx must have come as a shock when the wall came down
goverments change and society changes as well the cold wars been and gone we might be making a half arsed job in afganistan bits its not about rebuilding the british empire
but keep reading Marx must have come as a shock when the wall came down
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I love it when civvies get all uptight.Plato1983 said:
Here's a hint:
Don't go off on one about people ranting when what you're doing yourself is ranting.
It makes you look pompous and foolish.
And I'm sure Plato and Socrates are grateful for your reiteration of their philosophy.
Probably because you see pacifism as a form of moral cowardice, rather than as a form of morality per se.
Although, as anyone who looks into the subject knows, the Taliban never ruled Afghanistan, they only controlled around half of it at any given time, with various "Warlords" holding vast swathes of the rest.
For someone so convinced of the rightness of the war, surely you should do your duty and enlist as an infantryman as soon as possible?
You'd then soon find out that your view of pacifists isn't widely shared by professional soldiers.
Bigdavalad
New Member
cemertyone said:
Was Adam or Eve the Brit soldier occupying the other one?
Have fun at your protest, I look forward to seeing some 15 stone Army wife in Ron Hills and stilletos stoving a hippy's head in with her shoes on the six o'clock news.
Cemetry - I take it you won't be going to Colchester and discussing your views with the families of the men and women currently deployed?
Plus of course, you'll have to pay the £5 entry fee to get into the show and protest, so you'll be abig help to the military charities by showing up. Thank you to anyone going.
Now don't you go implying that our heroic boys would attack civilians !likesfish said:probably best avoid the paras they like violence best not give them an excuse
Though that would be quite a sight on the six o'clock news, squaddies beating the shit out of peaceful demonstrators in the name of queen and country.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Originally Posted by likesfish
probably best avoid the paras they like violence best not give them an excuse
Now don't you go implying that our heroic boys would attack civilians !
no but trying to start something with them will get your head caved in
theres always one social hand grenade around best go bother a unit not full to overflowing with would be haed cases .
if you think the press are going to be covering colchester crack on
probably best avoid the paras they like violence best not give them an excuse
Now don't you go implying that our heroic boys would attack civilians !
no but trying to start something with them will get your head caved in
theres always one social hand grenade around best go bother a unit not full to overflowing with would be haed cases .
if you think the press are going to be covering colchester crack on
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
The disruption didnt work .Had mates doing a display there didnt notice anything .May be the protestors got distracted by a bouncy castle?
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
Who wouldn't?dylanredefined said:
cemertyone said:Who is this US you speak off?.....
Don`t you actually mean that they are serving the interests of the Oil companies and pandering to an American lead agenda. if you took your head out of your arse and looked at the facts as they stand you might see that. But some how your blind and loyal stupidity over rides any intelligence you might have.
Now go lay a wreath at the cenotapth love...your heartfelt bollocks means nothing.
Look, you've got a big hangup with the British army and anyone who ever serves in it whatever their reasons.
Using the language that you do, you'll never get anyone to see anything your way. You may feel better posting what you do, but one the whole, it's quite counter productive don't you think?
cemertyone
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Bigdavalad said:
Why would i want to...
it would be like trying to "Talk" to a wall...Of course i would expect nothing less than a response like the one you gave considering your own background. The institutionalisation of people like you who have gave there whole lives to the army seems to have removed any critical analysis of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan from your thinking. At each and every time there has been any critisisim of the british armys actions in these two regions you have rushed to their defense like the grand old Duke of York.
cemertyone
Well-Known Member
likesfish said:no but trying to start something with them will get your head caved in
Yeah your right...they like to shoot unarmed civilans as there party trick....Bloody Sunday comes to mind.
Bigdavalad
New Member
cemertyone said:Why would i want to...
Of course i would expect nothing less than a response like the one you gave considering your own background. The institutionalisation of people like you who have gave there whole lives to the army seems to have removed any critical analysis of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan from your thinking. At each and every time there has been any critisisim of the british armys actions in these two regions you have rushed to their defense like the grand old Duke of York.
If you can find one post where I agree with the war in Iraq, you can have a gold star.
I rush to their defence, or I give my view of what's happening (which happens to be more accurate then some of the shite I've seen posted on here about things the Army have apparently done)?
cemertyone
Well-Known Member
Bigdavalad said:
well there you go....we will agree to disagree.......
but thats the impression i have formed...if i`m wrong then i will take it on the chin my friend but as i have only a £ to spare when i hit the internet i dont have time to check your posts...but thats the impression i`m formed of you.so if MY IMPESSION of you is wrong i will humbiliy apoligise to ya...
oh and by the way my old man is cut from the same cloth as you and even though the was a serious provo from the Falls he still won`t countenance any critism of them...so what does that say i wonder...more questions than answers i think
Bigdavalad
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cemertyone said:well there you go....we will agree to disagree.......
so if MY IMPESSION of you is wrong i will humbiliy apoligise to ya...
oh and by the way my old man is cut from the same cloth as you and even though the was a serious provo from the Falls he still won`t countenance any critism of them...so what does that say i wonder...more questions than answers i think
I've never supported the war in Iraq - I went because it's my job and I promised Liz I'd be a good boy and do what I was told.
As for provos and the British Army, the 16th (Irish) Division was almost entirely made up of IRA (not the IRA but the version of them going at the time) in WW1 and fought side by side with the 36th (Ulster) Division (which was made up almost entirely of the pre war UVF). A lot more provos have supported the Army than some would like to admit, so fair play to your Da.
cemertyone
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Bigdavalad said:
Yeah but it still gets embarrassing when i go home to visit and he`s the only fucker on the Falls with " God save the queen" on his arm and all his regimental bollocks over his chest. Try going into the Felons club ( as i had to with him one day) and see the response that gets...They thought he was from 14th intelligence or some thing....
the silence was deafing...Bigdavalad
New Member
cemertyone said:Yeah but it still gets embarrassing when i go home to visit and he`s the only fucker on the Falls with " God save the queen" on his arm and all his regimental bollocks over his chest. Try going into the Felons club ( as i had to with him one day) and see the response that gets...They thought he was from 14th intelligence or some thing....
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