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Fackin Ell. Maybe it's time we started using the term "Wahabbiism" in place of "Islam"?
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gnoriac said:
And that is exactly my point. Tar. Brush. Same.
I should have added in terns of talking about terrorism, oppression of women etc.
dogmatique
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It's like comparing the BNP to a mainstream political party.
I look forward to the far left picketing these people, after all surely those leftists who picketed the BNP ballerina are as outraged about what these Immans, etc were spouting as they were about the ballerina.
I have been cautious about using the term fascism to describe such movements, not any more, they were fascists pure and simple, , for example, some of what they were saying about the Jews could have been said by Mosley.
btw, can someone start a thread on general about this, its important, i fear their may be backlashes against innocent muslims.
I have been cautious about using the term fascism to describe such movements, not any more, they were fascists pure and simple, , for example, some of what they were saying about the Jews could have been said by Mosley.
btw, can someone start a thread on general about this, its important, i fear their may be backlashes against innocent muslims.
Kid_Eternity
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editor said:
Yeah I reckon we're all about ready for pitch forks and burning torches at dawn after that...
Larry O'Hara
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There is undoubtedly a problem of Wahabbism....
However
1) Martin Bright has a definite agenda
2) David Henshaw was the same guy responsible for the crap on the ALF years back
3) How representative all these speakers were was (deliberately) not made clear
4) Interesting that 4 months didn't produce one single quote directly praising the 7/7 bombings
However
1) Martin Bright has a definite agenda
2) David Henshaw was the same guy responsible for the crap on the ALF years back
3) How representative all these speakers were was (deliberately) not made clear
4) Interesting that 4 months didn't produce one single quote directly praising the 7/7 bombings
a reply to the programme by a 'muslim, though may be a spoof, far right, etc.
'I just watched the dispatches programme. i can tell you that this episode has successfully turned myself and my fellow british muslims into terrorists with regards to the british standards of what a terrorist is. i just want to say that it is true that Islamic belief rejects this system they call 'democracy', which in reality is nothing but a greedy hypocrisy. we do believe in most of what the scholars on the programme said as most of the quotes were taken from teachings of the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. They were however taken out of context by the presenter. The point is though, you cannot expect us to integrate with wider British society and become like the wider British society at the same time. If the british society is willing to agree to disagree on our ideology and stops demonising us in ridiculous programmes like these, only then will integration be possible. We respect the laws of this country even though we disagree with them. Whether Britain likes it or not Muslims are now a strong force in this country and will only grow stronger as British Muslims continue to reproduce in the UK. It's time that British non-Muslims realise that we are their neighbours, their work colleagues, their teachers, their students and so on and should not force us to apologise for who we are. At the same time British Muslims should not allow themselves to be forced into oppression. If the non-Muslim British media cannot accept us, then we do not need their acceptance. In fact, personally I'd much rather end all of this anti-Muslim media propaganda and get the fighting over and done with. So if the media people do not want us as their neighbours, instead of wasting their time hiding behind the screen like cowards, they can come right out and fight us. We are ready when they are. Of course, they could learn to accept us, they could opt for the peaceful solution, which to both Muslims and non-Muslims is preferable - but as long as they reject this no solution will be possible.
an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life and a head for a head - this is a good religion - and anyone opposed to that is nothing but a wolf, who intends on making you his meal.'
http://community.channel4.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7070069631/m/1570031707
'I just watched the dispatches programme. i can tell you that this episode has successfully turned myself and my fellow british muslims into terrorists with regards to the british standards of what a terrorist is. i just want to say that it is true that Islamic belief rejects this system they call 'democracy', which in reality is nothing but a greedy hypocrisy. we do believe in most of what the scholars on the programme said as most of the quotes were taken from teachings of the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. They were however taken out of context by the presenter. The point is though, you cannot expect us to integrate with wider British society and become like the wider British society at the same time. If the british society is willing to agree to disagree on our ideology and stops demonising us in ridiculous programmes like these, only then will integration be possible. We respect the laws of this country even though we disagree with them. Whether Britain likes it or not Muslims are now a strong force in this country and will only grow stronger as British Muslims continue to reproduce in the UK. It's time that British non-Muslims realise that we are their neighbours, their work colleagues, their teachers, their students and so on and should not force us to apologise for who we are. At the same time British Muslims should not allow themselves to be forced into oppression. If the non-Muslim British media cannot accept us, then we do not need their acceptance. In fact, personally I'd much rather end all of this anti-Muslim media propaganda and get the fighting over and done with. So if the media people do not want us as their neighbours, instead of wasting their time hiding behind the screen like cowards, they can come right out and fight us. We are ready when they are. Of course, they could learn to accept us, they could opt for the peaceful solution, which to both Muslims and non-Muslims is preferable - but as long as they reject this no solution will be possible.
an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life and a head for a head - this is a good religion - and anyone opposed to that is nothing but a wolf, who intends on making you his meal.'
http://community.channel4.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7070069631/m/1570031707
KeyboardJockey
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treelover said:
Good point. I await the deluge of Swappies and followers of Al-Respeq droids denouncing this programme as 'islamophobic'.
KeyboardJockey
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Spion said:
But these loons have the potential to cause a race war in the UK.
They don't care whether or not innocent muslims suffer. We are in a tense situation. How many Wahabbist attrocities in the UK will it take before people tip over the edge. Pushing people into a corner is never a good strategy as they make decisions based on fear and often irrational fear.
I agree that the level of support for the loonspuds is low amongst the muslim communityh but they are dangerous and shout very loud.
Spion said:
It would be nice if the Swappies and Al-Respeq put the same effort in criticising Wahabbis as they do the white fascists.
KeyboardJockey
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Spion said:
Erm.....there are enough for a journo to find. What about their front organisations that you see peddling their homophobic and antisemitic filth from stalls in places like Ilford High Road?
Its partially the fact that the organised left (and the Swappies and Al-Respeq in particular) are not confronting these groups that makes it more difficult to win back white working class people from the neo nazis.
KeyboardJockey
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Spion said:
Agree with you about the Daily Mail stirring etc and the NF did run Anti IRA campaigns in the late 70's to 1980s. East Ham was full of stickers saying 'Hang IRA Scum'.
There difference is the muslim community is more visible than the Irish community at the time of the IRA bombings. Also there ws more information available about the Nationalist communities genuine grievances. Furthermore, the IRA were not attempting to impose a world wide theocracy.
There were people of Irish descent attacked in the UK during the Troubles but it was isolated incidents. A duel pronged disaster comprising Wahabbi terrorism and BNP attacks on Muslim interests would get people out on the streets on both sides. This is not a prospect that I relish.
Spion
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People on the left should argue with these people. I have many times. Though I'm not sure how people having discussions with them would be broadcast to the white working class.KeyboardJockey said:
Are you suggesting picketing such stalls? Then go ahead - organise it. What would you be saying and what would you do to try and ensure that deportation/anti immigration sentiment was not the theme that became dominant?
KeyboardJockey
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Spion said:
I'm suggesting that left groups need to get togetherto do such things. I think that we need to get muslims on side to denounce the wahabbis. Not what Al-Respeq is doing which is just ignoring the issue or worse giving them tacit support.
I think that anti immigration sentiment is now too ingrained to not deal with. It must be constantly stressed by groups acting againts wahabbis that 'whabbis are NOT mainstream muslims' Keep repeating this and you will reduce the spill over into a generalised hatred against muslims.
There will always be boneheads who won't listen to this and that is the major danger.
Personally I think that if you want to improve community relations then deporting all members of Respect might be a start <tongue in cheek comment>
thefishdead
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Has there been a Muslim orgainised and run anti extremist rally in this country. Along the lines of the many protests against violance made in the north and south of Ireland by people of the same religion.
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