Diode Array Superior New Energy Source
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The thermocouple heated by the solar water heating panel would mean that the water wouldn't be heated as fast. This can be a good thing to keep the panel from overheating if the thermocouple's electricity can used or stored. An extra large panel could be operated in more useful ways like producing hot water earlier in the day.
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A 30nm process? Wow, intel would love you to bits.
Where would this lost energy go?
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The diode array output on first principles is proportional to T^2 because the thermal bandwidth increases directly with T. I don't mind suggesting diode array cooled liquid nitrogen fire extinguishers though. I want the applications to be openly known and available so people can synergize ideas.
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I would like to use a n InSb substrate with carbon anodes. I am tempted to use C60 buckyballs as anodes but I wory about the capacitance across 2 nm being too high. C84 is one answer. The chip has minimal interconnection complexity so it is a different industry than Intel except that diode arrays may be scattered hybrids attached to computer chips.
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As for the Second Law: Maxwell's demon failed because the demon has to flood the doorway with more infra red or light to examine the prospective molecules. L. Brillouin is credited with that conclusion. Smoluchowski's trapdoor is a variation where the molecular motion itself pushes through a one way nanodoor if it can. This is a good mechanical analog to a diode. A higher pressure is built up on the side that the doors open too as the molecules move in. Smoluchowski only half heartededly backed his thought machine he decided that the doors needed springs and that the springs would spoil the operation. I don't see a need for springs, the high inside pressure closes the door. A paper. Maxwell's Demon, Rectifiers and the Second Law: Computer Simulation of Smoluchowski's Trapdoor P.A. Skordos , W.H. Zurek Dec 1991 modeled the trapdoor. I think that the model was improper because the trapdoors were not slowed by friction. I do not believe that a pin and hole hinge in rigid solids will move on its own because of thermal energy.
I talked an free energy enthusiast who is an excellent electronics technician into stuffing a board with a 32 x 32 square array of 1n34A Ge diodes and building a sensitive instrument amplifier to check out the diode array concept. He got near zero output. I believe that the diodes were inadequate with little bandwidth and high capacitance. He tested many diodes and does not agree that a 0.2 V minimum exists for Ge; that this minimum is arbitrary.
I talked an free energy enthusiast who is an excellent electronics technician into stuffing a board with a 32 x 32 square array of 1n34A Ge diodes and building a sensitive instrument amplifier to check out the diode array concept. He got near zero output. I believe that the diodes were inadequate with little bandwidth and high capacitance. He tested many diodes and does not agree that a 0.2 V minimum exists for Ge; that this minimum is arbitrary.
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RE #37. The full bandwidth of thermal noise increases directly with T and the power per unit of bandwidth increases directly with T hence the power of an open bandwidth system increases with T^2
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The book, Challenges to the Second Law of Thermodynamics: Theory and Experiment, by Vladislav Capek, is in transit to me. I want to find allies.
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I was introduced to this field by one of Issac Asimov's science fact books which I read for independent pleasure in high school in ~1964 followed by reading Radar Engeneering by Donald G. Fink 1947 first, from my father's library of his college books and then bought for myself.
Issac Asimov taught that heat causes thermal fluctuations in the distribution of gas molecules which become more pronounced as the volume under observation decreases.
Donald Fink taught that Johnson noise power was consistant for any resistance and that the maximum power obtainable from a noise source was 1 /4 the abstract power or kTB rather than 4kTB.
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Issac Asimov taught that heat causes thermal fluctuations in the distribution of gas molecules which become more pronounced as the volume under observation decreases.
Donald Fink taught that Johnson noise power was consistant for any resistance and that the maximum power obtainable from a noise source was 1 /4 the abstract power or kTB rather than 4kTB.
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Revision of #26
Post #26 needed some rewriting for clarity. I added a copy of the revision to the original position for new readers:
The thermally driven moving electrons act within conditions that slow them down cooling them as they flow within the originating diode to the outside edges of all the diodes in the immediate group of diodes in parallel. In this part of their circulation, the electrons are heading into a like polarity which repels them, removing thermal momentun. The voltage at this position at the end of the originating diode and begining of the electrical circuit then drives the current through the outside electrical circuit where the same flow of electrons expresses the same voltage as electrical power. The cooling inside the diodes then is equal to the electrical power released by the diodes. The thermal noise of the load is unimportant because the load resistance is very low to pass the current from many diodes.
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Post #26 needed some rewriting for clarity. I added a copy of the revision to the original position for new readers:
The thermally driven moving electrons act within conditions that slow them down cooling them as they flow within the originating diode to the outside edges of all the diodes in the immediate group of diodes in parallel. In this part of their circulation, the electrons are heading into a like polarity which repels them, removing thermal momentun. The voltage at this position at the end of the originating diode and begining of the electrical circuit then drives the current through the outside electrical circuit where the same flow of electrons expresses the same voltage as electrical power. The cooling inside the diodes then is equal to the electrical power released by the diodes. The thermal noise of the load is unimportant because the load resistance is very low to pass the current from many diodes.
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GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
and why wouldn't you sell this then? moreover why wouldn'tsomeone come up with a varient such as shell texico amorco bp or the like and simply then bury you in expensive court costs whilst still being able to develop this technology themselves?
doens't seem teribly well thought out as a business or research developement plan...
doens't seem teribly well thought out as a business or research developement plan...
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The thermal random movement of electrons in a resistor is the Brownian movement of mobile charges. This is both an electrical and thermal phenomena on a microscopic scale. This is where something nominally at a uniform temperature is non uniform on a microscopic scale. When the temperature is the same, there is no temperature difference to produce a flow of heat for conversion processes that require a flow of heat. Conversely, where there is a temperature difference, conversion processes that require a flow of heat work. It is then possible for a process that works on a microscopic scale to work even if the temperature is the same on a larger scale. Next, there is the issue of flow direction because maintaining large scale temperature uniformaty requires that the microscopic flows be equal in both directions. This is the critical part of the discussion, because the conventional belief here is that it takes more energy to produce an intermittant one way flow of heat or its conversion derivative than the use of the one way flow will yield.
I don't believe that it requires more energy than the Johnson noise itself for a diode not requiring a cathode heater to produce net intermittant one way electrical power opportunistically from electrical power that flows in either direction at different times equally.
Johnson noise is an expression of heat that can be rectified and aggregated. There are losses in diodes as they rectify this electrical power, however, if there is net rectified output, than heat is being absorbed and converted into a yield of electrical power.
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I don't believe that it requires more energy than the Johnson noise itself for a diode not requiring a cathode heater to produce net intermittant one way electrical power opportunistically from electrical power that flows in either direction at different times equally.
Johnson noise is an expression of heat that can be rectified and aggregated. There are losses in diodes as they rectify this electrical power, however, if there is net rectified output, than heat is being absorbed and converted into a yield of electrical power.
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My plan is that a low overhead, widely synergetic, enterprise producing many forms of the diode array, diode array production equipment, and at least developing many applications will prevail.
If there is a immediate rapid ramping up of production by many people in productive groups, than oil companies will be obviously out of it.
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If there is a immediate rapid ramping up of production by many people in productive groups, than oil companies will be obviously out of it.
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Yes, but does it work?
If you're that convinced, like I said, sell your house/car/soul/body and build one. You will be the saviour of the human race. Until I see one working, I will have to assume that you are the same as every other 2nd-law breaking free energy proponent - ie. a charlatan (whether knowingly or not)
If you're that convinced, like I said, sell your house/car/soul/body and build one. You will be the saviour of the human race. Until I see one working, I will have to assume that you are the same as every other 2nd-law breaking free energy proponent - ie. a charlatan (whether knowingly or not)
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That's why you're not getting funding. You don't understand the phyiscs involved.
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RE 48: The point of having a demonstration is beyond the point of needing true knowlege seeking investment. I live at the lower edge of financial comfort in a near perfect climate. A lot of people paying a little collectively could pay for a prototype so it should be done that way. Setting it up is next.
RE 49: Please visulize the diodes sitting in their place inertly with Johnson noise inside which flows out preferentally making the common anode buss negative which can be tapped for electrical power. Johnson noise supplies the electrical power while cooling the diode array.
I Thank all the contributors for their views.
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RE 49: Please visulize the diodes sitting in their place inertly with Johnson noise inside which flows out preferentally making the common anode buss negative which can be tapped for electrical power. Johnson noise supplies the electrical power while cooling the diode array.
I Thank all the contributors for their views.
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Oh i understand what you want to happen, but you're dreaming if you think it can happen. If you really want i'll go back into my notes and tell you what sort of temperatures you're looking at to generate that level of noise, i'll bet you it's higher than the silicone can handle.Kauai Inventor said:
For the posters who don't know their quantum mechanics and/or micro electronics what KI intends to do can be described as follows.
Half fill a metal tank and heat it, the water in the tank will boil and start to boil over (like a pan on the hob), by putting a tube near the top of the pan you can use the water that makes it high enough to flow round your system and to drop back into your tank, as it flows round the sytem it might drive a water wheel for example. The water being electrons and the tank being our power source. (There's a valve so the water can only go round the loop one way)
Now this tank gets topped up regulary so it can't run out of water, but unless you get it hot enough it won't be able to reach the tube. For various reasons the height of the tube above the water is fixed (due to the energy bands of the relevant materials, note a material limitation), as such the only way to make it work is to heat up the liquid to get it to boil over.
Notice the term boil, as you need to put a lot of energy into the system for this to work. In theory (*note, see next paragraph) if you were to find the right materials it could work as the tube would be low enough for just a teensy weensy bit of heat might get the water to rise up and flow out the tube.
If you didn't know your theory that is. Let's say that a single electron manages to make the transition from n to p side, that then makes the potential V0 even greater, increasing the field (raising the tube) and shifting another electron back into the n side. In terms of our analogy this is the same as making the tube go even higher up the tank, and tilting it so the water that has made it in will tend to flow right back down again.
So, why can't it work?
1) To get a current flow you'd have to create a noise power on one side of the diode only greater than V0 where v0 = kT/e ln(Pn/Pp) that's not going to happen. Material science can't do it, run the numbers if you want to check.
2) Once you get a curent flow you increase V0 as you've put the diode into reverse bias, meaning it will not conduct.
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You had to <bleep> say it didn't you.Techno303 said:<waits for Azrael23 to join thread>
*throws teddy out of pram*
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
shhurley azreal could bethat source of energy??
why wouldn't someone else merely steal the idea and invest in it if it works knowing you don't have funding, sufficent to sue them...
still haven't answered this...
why wouldn't someone else merely steal the idea and invest in it if it works knowing you don't have funding, sufficent to sue them...
still haven't answered this...
Bob_the_lost
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Big capacitors are expensive, but on the up side you can get low voltage diodes (gallium?) that only have a .2V drop. I suspect you'd be hard pressed to get it anywhere near break even levels.
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