Diesel VW Campers/other campervans - About to become worthless?

Discussion in 'transport' started by ringo, Apr 18, 2017.

  1. ringo

    ringo Macaroni cheese controller

    Been looking at campervans. Quite fancied a Mazda Bongo but they're a bit small with two kids to fit in and lose value.

    VW Campers are still the Daddy but having spent my youth keeping my old Beetle on the road I can't really be bothered with working on old engines any more and no heating.

    I quite like the Brazilian jobs with the Polo engine in, pretty but a lot for what they are.


    Looked at some VW T5's yesterday, lovely but £30K+ and all T5 and T6's are diesel. The garage I was in near Bournemouth yesterday reckoned they'd sold seven over the weekend at over £30K each.


    What's the future for them then?

    Will the enthusiasm for all things VW Camper continue and they'll just stay out of the cities to avoid local taxes?
    Will VW stop making them and sell petrol jobs now?
    Will the government force a scrap for cash on all old diesels?
  2. Beetlebum

    Beetlebum Banned Banned

    Unlikely to become worthless. The true classics will be unaffected, others will take a value hit.

    Most motorcarvaning doesn't take place in cities although obviously some motorcaravanners live there.

    At the moment only London is proposing really harsh restrictions on diesels ( over and above the existing LEZ which already affects motorcaravans.
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  3. Johnny Canuck3

    Johnny Canuck3 Well-Known Member

    #Vanlife, the Bohemian Social-Media Movement
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  4. phillm

    phillm Trolling through Life (TM)

    Worse van I have ever rented by a long chalk to go to Glasto in 2005 - floaty steering my arse - my mate and I though we were going to die as it 'floated' with shit brakes into the centre of the road. I was never happier handing it back mud soaked - glad to be alive. I blame bloody Hitler.

    Oh and all those smiley other beetlebums waving as we passed by at the edges of our sanity. They can fuck right off....
    Last edited: Apr 21, 2017
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  5. phillm

    phillm Trolling through Life (TM)

    so hipsters are buying in and presenting old-skool vanners with a dilemna - to sell or not to sell. If enough beards buy them then it will be no longer 'cool' .

    Last edited: Apr 23, 2017
  6. IC3D

    IC3D Post Mid Arc

    You can buy my rusty water cooled petrol T3. Well I'm going to get another summer out if it but it's a liability and possibly unsafe and prone to not starting
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  7. ringo

    ringo Macaroni cheese controller

    Looked at a few VWs, old and new. Even as a lifelong fan of aircooled VWs I can't see why they're 20k more than everything else. They do keep their value, it's the size of the outlay compared to what else you could so with that money that puts me off.

    The new Brazilian jobs look great but are probably just as much of a nightmare to drive.

    Compared a shiny T4 and T5 (all Diesels :() with a Mazda Bongo. 20k extra gets you about 60cm more room and a VW badge. They're nice but I've completely failed to excited about them.

    Still looking...
  8. plurker

    plurker tú no tienes la culpa mi amor que el mundo sea feo

    Get a late T25 ringo, seriously. Obvious bias is obvious, but they are the best of all worlds.

    Larger interior than either a bay or T4, and £10-12k will buy you a proper top of the range, well looked-after job. Plenty petrol ones out there, both the 1900 and 2100cc options are fine lumps.

    You won't need to get into the engine bay really, I rarely do anything other than to service mine tbh. On the watercooled (81 onwards iirc) the heating is fine.

    You pay a bit more for a VW, definitely true, but they retain their value better.

    Other option could be a Merc Vito, but I've no experience - look nice tho.
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  9. ska invita

    ska invita back on the other side

    my old neighbour had a VW camper and from what I can see it's a money pit
    realistically how many times do you think you'll use it?
    cheaper to rent and save the heart ache
  10. ringo

    ringo Macaroni cheese controller

    Thought about it, looked at my mate's but in the end decided no. I just don't like the shape, they're the only T's I don't like. And Maz won't drive a hard top 'cos we want it to be an occasional 2nd car and these don't go in the car parks she uses for work. Pop top is non-negotiable :)

    Saw a nice Merc the other day, I think MachV & Miko have Sprinter don't they?

    Looking more and more like our original choice of Mazda Bongo I reckon.
  11. ringo

    ringo Macaroni cheese controller

    If I bought a VW it would have to be a 30K+ shiny one because I can't be bothered to deal with old motors any more, so yes, new ones also a money pit. And Diesel. So not a VW at all I reckon.

    We've both wanted one for years, it'll get plenty of use :thumbs:
  12. bi0boy

    bi0boy Power User

    Get an eleMMent Palazzo instead if you've cash to spend.
  13. ringo

    ringo Macaroni cheese controller

  14. stuff_it

    stuff_it stirred the primordial soup

    People will buy petrol ones and LPG gas convert them.
  15. plurker

    plurker tú no tienes la culpa mi amor que el mundo sea feo

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  16. ringo

    ringo Macaroni cheese controller

    Worth knowing. Still not convinced about buying an old one though :)
  17. moose

    moose like some cat from Japan

    We're just about keeping our '79 Bay (petrol) on the road, although everyone who claims to be a VW specialist working on them is a shyster. Once this one finally dies, we'll never be able to afford another.
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  18. ringo

    ringo Macaroni cheese controller

    Couldn't face an oldie or an expensive VW so went in the middle and got an 11 year old Nissan Elgrand fresh off the boat from Japan and converted. All mod cons, a 3.5 litre V6 engine and feels like piloting a space ship.
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  19. 1927

    1927 Funnier than he thinks he is.

    I recently purchased a 2005 Mercedes Vito LWB. Am having it professionally insulated and lined, and carpeted, a leisure battery fitted, with 230v hook up all sockets and lighting for £1200 and a reverse rock and roll bed £800, so i’ll have a usable camper for just over £5k all in which i’m happy with.
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  20. Poi E

    Poi E Pessimism: a valuable protection against quackery.

    Good deal. Sound insulation alone adds up to hundreds just for the bits.
  21. Boudicca

    Boudicca Seaside Queen

    I'm looking at doing something similar at the moment, except I don't want anything too big but I want a shower and toilet on board. So I'm spending hours watching vanlife videos on youtube looking for the perfect van and layout.
  22. existentialist

    existentialist Apprentice bachelor

    If mine ever gets its welding done, I'm putting in a heat exchanger to provide hot water, after the gas water heater sprung a leak (which is probably partly why the welding needed doing). That's a 1994 Iveco diesel.
  23. kebabking

    kebabking Unfettered ambition

    We're thinking of getting a bongo - a mate has one and loves it for little trips and as a picnic van. Probably going for something in the £5k range with a pop-top, sink, powered coolbox and gas hob.

    Any particular advice?
  24. Poi E

    Poi E Pessimism: a valuable protection against quackery.

    The Bongo High Top Friendee by any chance? :D
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  25. ringo

    ringo Macaroni cheese controller

    They're pretty nice. I was going to buy one but two things pushed me towards spending a bit more.
    They're quite compact, great for two but with kids they're a bit cramped.
    They stopped making them quite a while ago now, so they're all aging a bit and the importers are moving towards other Japanese models to convert.

    If those are not issues they're great. Affordable. Very popular so good forums for info and help and a raft of replacement parts and extra camping products designed specifically for them.
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  26. not-bono-ever

    not-bono-ever Not what they want but what is good for them

    Be wary if you live in London with diesels - our mechanically perfect low mileage 09 family car becomes
    Pretty much verboten in a couple of years . Ish
  27. Saul Goodman

    Saul Goodman It's all good, man

    Have you considered the fact that you may be delusional?
    They're a pile of shite. Always have been and always will be.
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  28. 1927

    1927 Funnier than he thinks he is.

    Not to mention the fact that this perceived superiority adds 100% atleast to the price of any second hand van.
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  29. mauvais

    mauvais change has become unavoidable

    I don't understand the love for VW at all. I guess it's because Audi don't make a van.

    Also 'dubbers' are the very worst of all the car scene wankers.
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  30. Saul Goodman

    Saul Goodman It's all good, man

    Anyone who thinks their pile of shite is anything but a pile of shite is worse than Hitler.

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