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Did you believe the USA would elect a black president?

One year ago: Did you believe a black president would be elected?

  • No, not ever

    Votes: 17 11.6%
  • Possibly sometime in the future

    Votes: 78 53.1%
  • Yup - it's 2008

    Votes: 43 29.3%
  • What do you mean? Clinton *was* black!

    Votes: 4 2.7%
  • Click clicky

    Votes: 5 3.4%

  • Total voters
    147
I believed. But then I'm young and idealistic ;)


:hmm:

On the tellybox a few minutes ago he described himself as:

The son of a black man, from Kenya, a white woman from Kansas. Brought up by a white grandfather who survived the depression and a white grandmother. I've gone to some of the best schools in America and lived in one of the poorest countries in the world. Married to a black woman descended from both slaves and slave owners.
 
That one always throws me a bit - I think I'm supposed to go for "White British" or "Caucasian". Is that really an ethnicity? According to the dictionary: "The only working general definition of ethnicity is that it involves the common consciousness of shared origins and traditions." Based on that definition, skin colour seems almost irrelevant.

Tbh, you don't even have to answer the question. The only thing that actually matters, in the scheme of things, is culture.
 
Ideally, ethnic monitoring questionnaires should reflect the categories in the most recent census, so that recruitment and internal labour statistics can be sensibly compared with the local demographic/recruitment catchment area. The CRE (as was) had been advising this in their guidelines for a number of years. However, there are expanded categories that can be used which include (for example) Gypsies and Irish Travellers. Here's the expanded version which many organisations use:

Those boxes are fairly fixed and don't cover, for instance, my own circumstances...and that's the problem with this system of classification: it ignores variables or, rather, its range of variables is limited.
 
So not quite proportional to population, but nearly.

I suspect that this will change in the next few years if BO's inspires da yoof to become party activists...
 
I am also mixed Nino. I have experienced prejudice from both sides, less from Black people, but it did happen. I learnt a lot abut why though and those reasons are age old. Divide and rule.

I grew up on US military bases, so the bigotry was all too visible. Btw, I even have a racist* uncle: I've never met him and my mum hardly ever talked about him.



* Certain posters are bound to seize on my use of this word. Tough. :D
 
I grew up on US military bases, so the bigotry was all too visible. Btw, I even have a racist* uncle: I've never met him and my mum hardly ever talked about him.



* Certain posters are bound to seize on my use of this word. Tough. :D

Hehe.:p I was going to ask you though where that inverse racism came from mainly, US or the UK. I know that in the US color or tone matters within the black community. When a baby is born it's not at all uncommon for skin tone to be the subject of conversation. A baby can't be too light or too dark. There's definitely a preference somewhere inbetween. I don't know if that is just a US thing.
 
Those boxes are fairly fixed and don't cover, for instance, my own circumstances...and that's the problem with this system of classification: it ignores variables or, rather, its range of variables is limited.

Yes, it's imperfect to say the least (as is the census). It has very limited use, and then only when it's used properly.
 
Originally Posted by Rutita1 View Post
I am also mixed Nino. I have experienced prejudice from both sides, less from Black people, but it did happen. I learnt a lot abut why though and those reasons are age old. Divide and rule.
The only thing close to racism from black people I ever got, was when this black girl from Chicago came to our high school. Everybody asked her: 'what about that black guy'? I was the only one in the school, so it was easy to know who was being referred to.

She said something disparaging about the fact that I was only half black, I can't remember the words.

She wasn't at our school for long, I don't know what her story was. She and I never traded two words.
 
The other thing is that I've travelled with my family through the states, and gone to lots of black neighborhoods. We're a mixed family, white wife etc, and we never got a bad time from blacks. Also, with things like border guards, if we were going to get a black one, we'd say 'bingo!', and our dealings were invariably easy and pleasant.
 
I didn't think it would ever happen. At least not within the next 50 years.

I think if this poll would have been posted two years ago and then bumped after the election it would have been more revealing.

About three or four years ago there was a discussion on another left leaning forum about the possibility of Powell or any black person becoming president. The feeling of most seemed to be that the odds were remote no matter the circumstances. I think the cynicism on this was more rife than this hindsight poll would let on. It's more reflective of the erosion of doubt over the last year or so.
 
One year ago today or thereaboutsish...

Framing it simply in terms of black and white, did you think a black man would actually be elected as president of the U S of A in 2008?

Poll-a-comin'...

I felt he had an exceptional chance in the future to at least be a presedential candidate from the moment of his 2004 Democratic Convention speech. But knowing Hillary was running, no, I didn't believe it was his time. But each stage that he progressed it became clear something phenomenal was happening.

No longer living in Chicago it took a while to ferret out details about him, but the more I found, the more clear it became he had the skill/drive to win; he demonstrated the very Kennedy-esque ability to outfox the trifecta of Chicago hardball politics, Hillary/Bill Clinton's campaign and McCain's failed attempts at pulling a Karl Rove. He also resisted going for the jugular, something he was heavily criticised for from within the party and that had many voting Dems nervous. It turned out to be a brilliant move on his part as every time McCain or Palin came at him he kept his composure and he ultimately attained critical conservative votes by demonstrating a presidential commodity: grace under fire. That versus McCain's tendency towards flying off the handle cinched it for lots of people.

I also knew he'd taught at the University of Chicago but hadn't been aware he was still living in Hyde Park. Very interesting place, factoring into the type of campaign he waged. The odd duck in a historically segregated city, Hyde Park has been mult-cultural, multi-racial, and sits on the lakefront of the south side, a university community, not to mention former neighbourhood of Harold Washington, the city's first black mayor. It has a large, economically diverse black population with which there have been uneasy alliances, sitting on the very edges of poverty going through regentrification/redevelopment. Go a little farther south you hit a Hispanic pocket; go even farther and you've hit oil refineries and nothern Indiana; this atmosphere would have been the perfect training ground for Obama, encountering the intersections of educational, political elite, poor, blue collar, middle, upper middle classes, and also the positive as well as negative interaction between whites blacks and hispanics. Politics are a way of breathing in Chicago. He'll take to Washington like a duck to water. Hopefully, in a positive way.
 
I've just noticed that although there was quite a big 6% gap in the nation's favourite vote for the real puppy the electoral college Obama obliterated his opponent. Impressive.
actually - no: the state-by-state winner-takes all setup of the electoral college means this is by no means unknown or uncommon. If you win Texas, florida, NY and California by margins of 0.1% on each you get a huge leap in your EC share
 
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