Did women's equal rights cause the demise of the NHS?

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by enderbyeddie, Jan 13, 2018.

  1. enderbyeddie

    enderbyeddie Banned Banned

    Well I think not directly, but it sure has changed our society. I am old enough to remember when most women were "house wives". The entire house hold could live on ONE PERSON'S wages. There was also some one at home to look after relatives.

    These days rents and house prices, food, clothing, and transport have become so expensive, they take up most of TWO PEOPLE'S wages. So there is no way we could return to a one worker household, even if we wanted to.

    Progressive governments, seem not to have cottoned on to this simple social change, and have made little provision for helping ill people who need a little care. They have left it to the NHS A and E departments to deal with the ever increasing amount of mostly older people needing usually modest care.

    Every year that I can remember I have watched the |TV, and read news papers, telling me about the stress the NHS is under, and reports of cut back in services. Never once a report that things have got better, so all I can extrapolate from that is , my, what a fantastic service we must have had decades ago, that all these cuts have taken place, and people still actually get treated.

    Is it about time we got the politicians out of playing politics with our NHS? Well I think we should, and if you agree with me, I have a very simple way of doing that.......

    Over recent years VAT has brought in about the same as we spend on the NHS, so how about re:branding VAT as HAT health added tax........All proceeds spend entirely on the |NHS. If we find we need to spend more on our health, change the percentage rate we set on HAT.

    While we are at it, amalgamate the NHS with all social care.
  2. MochaSoul

    MochaSoul It's being enslaved of your own free will

    The vast majority of women are still "housewives" and they have children, parents, siblings and husbands in every hospital, every care home and every school as well as their own homes. They are over-represented in all of the professions involved in those and are paid shit wages for demanding and often menial mind numbing jobs when they are not forced to leave their jobs to care for their families, that is.

    There is always money for wars. But it's women's fault for lack of investment in the NHS and social care.

    Wake the fuck up!
    Last edited: Jan 13, 2018
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  3. Sue

    Sue Well-Known Member

    Did men being annoying cause the demise of the NHS?

    Or maybe it was the aliens.

    Or people with blue eyes.:hmm:

    Discuss enderbyeddie.
  4. Sue

    Sue Well-Known Member

    Oh, and the 'someone at home to look after relatives' in these halcyon bygone days. Who were those someones exactly?
  5. snadge

    snadge metal alchemist

    Erm no, more like stupid people (of every gender) clogging it up with stubbed toes and garbage like that.
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  6. enderbyeddie

    enderbyeddie Banned Banned

    I must have made a mistake. I thought this was a political chat room, not a kinder garden full of unfortunate people, with not a gram of original thought. The sort that have a mouth full of insults, but nothing else to say.
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  7. Bernie Gunther

    Bernie Gunther Fundamentalist Druid

    The power of women and the subversion of the community - Mariarosa Dalla Costa and Selma James
  8. mrs quoad

    mrs quoad Well-Known Member

    Congratulations on holding out until your second post, tbf. Good job :thumbs:
  9. enderbyeddie

    enderbyeddie Banned Banned

    I placed a wager (with myself) and won, that the only comments my thread would attract would be bashing the feminist drum loud, and everything else left by the wayside.

    Completely typical of today's politics. Everything correct, addressing none of the other points, solving not a thing, totally reliant in our little country remaining un-threatened economically, the ever smaller slush fund of money we spend to tax, and spend again, eventually becoming insufficient to sustain our services as we now know them, because we only make a small fraction ourselves, of what we consume.

    After all, with our welfare state, money just grows on trees, unfortunately, where the rest of the world were planting theirs, we forgot, or didn't bother with our own.
  10. existentialist

    existentialist # #A52A2A

    Welcome back. Who were you?

    Sorry to ask, but since you appear to be following the Returning Troll Playbook to the letter, it seems only polite to respond in kind.
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  11. andysays

    andysays Defiantly non-premium member

    I think the problem may be that your idiocy is not worth any original thought but is only worthy of insults.
  12. NoXion

    NoXion Eat leaden death, demon...

    Yeah. Economic circumstances have changed, and as a result most households can no longer rely on a single income stream. But what has that go to do with equal rights as per your title?
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  13. Yossarian

    Yossarian free shrugs

    The thread title seems like a troll, but I'm definitely OK with the proposal to spend more on home care for the elderly, ideally by raising taxes on corporations.
  14. purenarcotic

    purenarcotic Conveniently Pocket Sized

    Maybe the men could stay at home or take on more responsibility for caring? Why is it the fault of women?
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  15. Yossarian

    Yossarian free shrugs

    Maybe you should try making one point at a time - what kind of reaction did you expect when you asked the question "Did women's equal rights cause the demise of the NHS?" You answered your own question correctly with "No" immediately then started talking about several other things.
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  16. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

  17. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    Every wager has a winner and a loser so you also lost your bet. In fact you lost and lost as I'm not banging a feminist drum
  18. Bernie Gunther

    Bernie Gunther Fundamentalist Druid

    The power of women and the subversion of the community - Mariarosa Dalla Costa and Selma James
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  19. Yossarian

    Yossarian free shrugs

    Yep, it's not like women working is something new - what was the proportion of female nurses in the early days of the NHS, around 100%? Biggest change since then is probably that around 50% of doctors are now also women.
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  20. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    Not to mention that for the last 70 years there's been a welfare state as it's simply not true that all households could live on one person's wages
  21. likesfish

    likesfish officaly hardest and most tooled up urbanite:)

    back in the day when you got married you couldn't be a nurse anymore:facepalm:
  22. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    You say you can't remember a report about how good the NHS is. You should consult a medico at your earliest convenience as your memory seems on the slide
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  23. Plumdaff

    Plumdaff joy in people

    Where's the evidence that most elderly people in A&E need only 'modest' care? The main problem is the false division between health and social care, often affecting people with complex needs, and a massive and historical undervaluing and under investment in looking after people either at home or in residential care. Largely women's work, it's been demeaned as such. Society would collapse without the unpaid or underpaid caring work of women.
  24. bubblesmcgrath

    bubblesmcgrath Well-Known Member

    So enderbyeddie
    who are you going to blame for all the monumental shit that happened pre women's "equal rights"?

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  25. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Ridin' a Stutz Bearcat, Jim

    There are many angles from which one might approach responding to the OP's premise, but none fits the bill quite so well as a simple 'fuck off'.
  26. MochaSoul

    MochaSoul It's being enslaved of your own free will

    Uh hum!

    Yeah, yeah...

    For wars, bailing out corrupt banks and bribes of all sorts there seems to be a few of them trees.
    Last edited: Jan 14, 2018
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  27. existentialist

    existentialist # #A52A2A

    Yeah, but it's nice to build up to it with a bit of development, first. Makes it a bit more climactic, I find.
  28. MochaSoul

    MochaSoul It's being enslaved of your own free will

    I have a penchant for sadism too. :eek: :oops: :D
  29. Thora

    Thora Differently Ethical

    Was there really a time when *most* women were housewives?
    I know in the early 80s my parents were able to buy a house on one (non-graduate) wage, and my mum was indeed a stay at home parent until her youngest child went to school, while also doing some work from home, and then she went out to work.
    And my nan always worked (in a factory).
    And her mum always worked.
    I don't know about my great-great-grandmother but I'll assume she worked too.
    And my MIL worked.
  30. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    My grandmother made bullets during the war. My mum was a nurse, when she did briefly give up work to raise two children she did an Open University degree. Housewives? Yeah, right.

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