Did Jesus die on a cross or a T?

Discussion in 'theory, philosophy & history' started by Susthehedgehog, May 15, 2018.

  1. JimW

    JimW 支那暗杀团

    If you read that Wiki article that's backwards - crux is a latin translation of a greek term that didn't necessarily mean cross and neither did the latin until the convention settled.
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  2. mauvais

    mauvais change has become unavoidable

    The cross is a very poor choice I think: top heavy, single point of anchoring. An A-frame would have been far more structurally sound. That's why you never see the likes of Isambard Kingdom Brunel crucifying anyone.
  3. Mumbles274

    Mumbles274 running from law and the press and the parents

    Jesus died in the TT at Glen Helen. Any fool knows that
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  4. JimW

    JimW 支那暗杀团

    Think they realised that so by the time they got round to St Andrew they'd got a much more solid structure.
  5. mauvais

    mauvais change has become unavoidable

    Oh yeah, good call. Either that or the cross toppled over sideways and they just styled it out.
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  6. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty Wh♂️

    It’s all bollocks, but fab that workers are granted days off to spend getting pissed on Christian festivals.
  7. mauvais

    mauvais change has become unavoidable

    There's a fine line, I think, between a bad day at the crucifixion and showing off your 'exoskeleton' as you walk around the town like a giant robotlord.


    "Watch your shins you orange twat, oi'm walkin' here" - it's like the pedestrian version of an Audi Q7.

    Maybe that's why they did the upright cross, to make it look - at best - like an exoskeletal pogo stick. Noone would take you seriously.
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  8. MadeInBedlam

    MadeInBedlam Arm the mentally ill

    BE51CBBC-DA09-46F8-83A6-B388681616F5.jpeg 11 more ‘following’ me and I’ll claim myself as the second coming.
  9. Susthehedgehog

    Susthehedgehog I think therefore I don't do

    My thoughts exactly!
  10. Susthehedgehog

    Susthehedgehog I think therefore I don't do

    I'll bet your previous user name was 'MadeInBethlehem'
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  11. Mordi

    Mordi Amoral adventurist

    Don't know the origins but the wiki link given matches up with the explanation I was given as a young 'un. The Greek stauros meant stake (and there's nothing in the bible to suggest crucifixion) and the cross was already an occult symbol with a history that the church could later adopt, as it did with so many 'pagan' traditions.

    So far as I know the early Christians used a symbol of the fish to identify themselves, the Chi Ro or the first and last letters of the Greek alphabet ("I am the Alpha and Omega"). (Actually there's a list here which has a whole bunch I hadn't come across)

    Some cursory Wiki reading suggests that the cross came into it fairly early on, the letters from stauros were superimposed (early Christians seem to have loved this Kabbalistic shit) the T and P whose shape suggests a cross. I'm going to be stubborn and say this influenced the adoption of a symbol that can fit with the Ankh, the Sunwheel and whatever other talismans were floating around the eastern Med.
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  12. MadeInBedlam

    MadeInBedlam Arm the mentally ill

    I’m 33 and all. This year’s going to be tense.
  13. JimW

    JimW 支那暗杀团

    Always liked that retort, "Come down off the cross, we need the wood."
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  14. Beats & Pieces

    Beats & Pieces 24601 / 9430 Banned

    You have to admire the critical confidence displayed here. Such an easy target, no? With no real cost.

  15. MadeInBedlam

    MadeInBedlam Arm the mentally ill

    If you ever kiss a girl I’m sure you’ll be far less tedious.

    Although you’ll probably need to work on the tedium first. Chicken and egg really.
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  16. Beats & Pieces

    Beats & Pieces 24601 / 9430 Banned

    I can see how being called out as a hypocrite could be seen as tedious - to the hypocrite. I guess you only get excited by the forms of exclusion that bother you. And that you consider safe.
  17. MadeInBedlam

    MadeInBedlam Arm the mentally ill

    I don’t find being called out as a hypocrite to be tedious, I can’t find it anywhere in this thread at all.

    Your inability to make friends isn’t down to exclusion, but merely your bizarre condescending stupidity.
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  18. krtek a houby

    krtek a houby how's it going to end?

    The soldiers seem to be quite bewildered by the holy package :eek:
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  19. JimW

    JimW 支那暗杀团

    Think they're wondering where JC managed to buy Marks and parks trunks in the first century Levant.
  20. PippinTook

    PippinTook Some are born to sweet delight


    Best post of this very 1989 thread...lol...
  21. Mrs Miggins

    Mrs Miggins There's been a slight cheese accident

    I never do this but.....you a tedious fuckarse aren't you?
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  22. NoXion

    NoXion Eat leaden death, demon...

    What's your point? What "easy target" are you talking about? Christianity? Last I checked it was still a global religion with billions of adherents and a fundamentalist streak that still causes real harm.

    "Easy target", seriously get the fuck over yourself. You gonna whinge about how we never criticise Islam next or what?
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  23. Gromit

    Gromit International Man of Misery

    It is an easy target as in the foundation of their belief is based on such stupid premises that's its incredibly easy to mock.

    Bit like Timmy Mallet's dress sense is easy to mock because it's blatently ridiculous.
    Although comparing Timmy Malket to religion is deeply unfair to Timny Mallet as his peculiarities haven't caused people to torture and murder millions and self justify their right to do so.
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  24. gentlegreen

    gentlegreen sproutarian

    Mohammed had the right idea - he did the actual writing of the book - so he could add-in rules that suited his own lifestyle - 'enry the 8th-stylee...
  25. 1927

    1927 Funnier than he thinks he is.

    So we are talking this guy called Jesus, born of an immaculate conception (an impossibility) who supposedly died and came back to life after 3 days in a cave (an impossibility) and the supposed son of God, who no one has ever seen. We are discussing the shape of the structure that he was nailed to!

    I think there are bigger questions we need to be asking ourselves about this Jesus character!
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  26. Santino

    Santino lovelier than lovely

    Mary was born of an immaculate conception, not Jesus.
  27. Gromit

    Gromit International Man of Misery

    This is the religious symbol of the true lord god:


    The lord our God Elvis died on the throne for our sins. This Jesus bloke was a mere con man.

    Pray beneath the loo seat or be cast into Dallas.
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  28. Susthehedgehog

    Susthehedgehog I think therefore I don't do

    I would like to thank everyone for their contributions to this discussion. This was my first post and something that was bothering me (goodness knows why!).

    Yes there are lots of talking points around this 'Jesus Character' which I presume have been exhausted. This discussion was aimed at looking at the possibility that Jesus may not have died on a 'cross' as is widely accepted.

    As it turns out, we have come across the possibility it might have been a T-shape structure (crux commissa), X-shaped structure (crux decussatta) or as most widely accepted, a regular cross shape (sorry my keyboard doesn't support the actual shape) (crux immissa). Just depends on who you want to believe.

    Thank you to Santino for the Y picture
    Thank you to Mauvais for the X picture
    Thank you to JimW for the wiki links and pointing out Jesus' shopping habits.

    This will probably be my only post that has any reference to Jesus.
  29. JimW

    JimW 支那暗杀团

    We ought to introduce this executive summary service for all the threads on here, would save hours of valuable time that could then be wasted elsewhere on the internet.
  30. nuffsaid

    nuffsaid But this goes up to 11

    I saw some archaeology documentary once that displayed remains of someones large ankle bone who was crucified, it had the nail still in it. The nail had been bent back on itself on the inside side of the ankle, and the expert chap said this makes us think the nail was slowly being banged through while against something very hard, (i.e the rocky ground), with the outside of the ankle pointing upwards. He then explained that if you consider how today people are told to get down by armed police and are made to lie face down and spreadeagled, the outside of the ankle points up.

    So his theory was that an 'X' cross was placed on top of a person on the ground, face down in a spread-eagled position, and nailed to them, via hands and ankles, they were then pulled upwards as per the above image posted.
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