ericjarvis
give a feck for the feckless
Every time I see this thread I think, yeah, it's always like that. It's so rare a top job isn't handed to a dick.
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Paul Marsh
NeitherWashingtonNorMecca
Broadly correct - the UK's jihadis would then simply concentrate on inflicting their brand of Islam as rigidly as possible here.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
absolutely right , the idea that if Britain wasn't involved in any foreign policy that affected muslim countries then there wouldn't be a threat is totally mistaken.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I think Paul has answered this.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
why wouldn't it? what is the experience of far right muslim extremists across the globe?
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
well, in countries like France and Germany, which quite probably have far more far right islamists than the UK, there's been no suicide bombings. Like I said, the clever islamists will want to use the helping hand of the local state and its desire to outsource public services as a trojan horse to a religionisation of society.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
What on earth makes you think that there are more far right islamists in France or Germany ?
Also where is this example of religous organisations being the beneficueries of outsourced public services? A handful of schools in Britain doesn't demonstrate desire at all. In France there is a clear sepraration of religion and the state so where would the desire emanate from?
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
Because they both have far more Muslims. Still, no suicide bombings as of the yet. Funny that, isn't it?
edit: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4385768.stm
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
It's a handy way to group them, and point out their similarities with christian conservatives. It is right, however, that most followers of political islam would not consider themselves on the left-right scale.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Not funny but very fortunate and fingers crossed it stays that way.
It is funny that you try and equate the number of number of far right extremists with the number of muslims. The spread of far right islamic extremism is political rather than mathmatical. Also don't forget the bombings in the mid 1990s in France.
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
Linked to the civil war in algeria rather than to an attempt to impose islam on france though.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
That if anything undermines your idea that there are more Islamic extremists in France than Britain
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
It's quite simple. All the Islamist attacks in Europe have been linked to foreign wars. None can be linked to jihadis 'inflicting their brand of Islam as rigidly as possible here.'
That will mean more the everyday violence of honour killings, beatings - control of the communalist community. This is a far worse prospect than a few wingnuts who want to blow up 'crusaders' or 'slags' at the disco, as it cannot be opposed by simple police power but only by social action.
Silver_Fox
New Member
They could try anything they like. But given that muslims are only 2.8% of the UK population, and given that jihadis are in turn a tiny percentage of those 2.8% of muslims I can't really see them having much success. There's probably more chance of christian fundamentialism making a come back, in terms of the broader population, and that must be an extremely slim chance.
As has been pointed out above all the terrorist attacks are linked to foreign wars. Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechyna, Algeria etc
Sweden and Switzerland, for instance, have, by percentage, a bigger muslim population that the UK but there have been absolutely no terrorist attacks and no threats either that I know of.
A left government may well be a way off, but if there was one I don't think jihadist terrorist attacks would be much up the line of worries given that imperialist countries would be putting in all their resources to undermine it.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The problem is is that Islamic extremism and terrorism whilst being 'linked' to foreign wars is not based on actual foreign wars but more of a notion of a war aginst Islam itself. To limit the discussion to attacks in Europe conveniently misses out the fact that more attacks have taken place outside Europe and against govts, institutions, and civilians who have nothing to do with foreign wars.
I would also challenge the notion that simple police power can oppose those involved in terrorism or extremism.The isolation of the wingnuts in Luton is primarily down to ordinary muslims who see them as much as threat as the non muslim community
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
What are you talking about here?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
You have made a point that, in your view , all terrorist attacks in Europe were 'linked ' to foreign wars. I am arguing that terrorist attacks are not just limited to being 'linked' to foreign wars and that there is wider picture to be gained from looking past Europe into a world wide assessment.
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I'd like to know who made this appointment - who exactly is giving it the big go fuck yourselves?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Not who are they saying it to, but who they are - who makes appointments to the IPCC.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Seems to be people appointed by the Home sec who took this decision, and they seem to be load of ex-CPS, police trainers, and mangerial types. Unless the home sec apponited this one too.
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