Di Canio does it again...

[Batboy]

Di Canio to go to Portsmouth?

Redknapp wants to get Di Canio...should be interesting

 

[Balbi]

Di Canio to go to Portsmouth?

Redknapp wants to get Di Canio...should be interesting

If he does turn up - I'll cease going to matches, watching it on the telly and listening to it on the radio until he has left. I'll check the results/table at the end of the week, but will find other ways of occupying my time otherwise No fash at my club thank you.

 

[mk12]

What, not even at his peak?

 

[cathal marcs]

Revol - if FIFA get legislation to ban people from the game because of their political views they'll probably go and mostly use it on lefties (like the German state ban on some political parties which was supposed to be aimed at the far right) and ban half of Inter!

.)

The irony being inter have a fair amount fascist scumbag fans

I was stuck on a plane with them not too long ago.

 

[STFC]

The irony being inter have a fair amount fascist scumbag fans

I was stuck on a plane with them not too long ago.

Aahhh, poor you. Did you use the flight time wisely and try to re-educate them?

 

[cathal marcs]

Aahhh, poor you. Did you use the flight time wisely and try to re-educate them?

No I smashed a bottle over one of their faces when I got off the flight

I wish I did anyhow but somehow I wasnt going to go ahead with 20 fash by myself am I?

Although you being a big hard loyalist football hooligan would have took them on single handed no doubt or more likely joined in singing Faccetta Nera

 

[STFC]

No I smashed a bottle over one of their faces when I got off the flight

 

[cathal marcs]

Get them out the cellar did we? Fascist loving twat.

 

[STFC]

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[butchersapron]

Yep, another fascist slogan - one beloved of the other fascist footballer Buffon. All coming out now eh?

 

[STFC]

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[Onket]

a) i don't think players should be done for taking a political stance, i just think the fascists should.

Why not just ban everything you don't agree with, yeah?

 

[revol68]

Why not just ban everything you don't agree with, yeah?

yeah cos him being banned from football would make them just as bad as him etc etc

repeat until your liberal brain falls out.

 

[Onket]

repeat until your liberal brain falls out.

Ha!

 

[STFC]

yeah cos him being banned from football would make them just as bad as him etc etc

repeat until your liberal brain falls out.

You're a funny one.

I admire Di Canio for actually having an opinion, unlike most footballers. His political beliefs might not be to everyone's tastes (especially on U75), but personally I find the communist Lucarelli of Livorno more distasteful. Wouldn't like to see him banned from football for it though, as like Di Canio he is at least intelligent and honest enough to have a political viewpoint. Most footballers in this country at least would probably struggle to tell you who the Prime Minister is.

 

[butchersapron]

You never did get round to filling us in on your non-racist version of fascism did you?

And i see you've removed your parroting of fascist slogans now then. And yet you admire men of firm principles. Hmm...

 

[cathal marcs]

You're a funny one.

I admire Di Canio for actually having an opinion, unlike most footballers..

Even though his opinion is repugnant?

but personally I find the communist Lucarelli of Livorno more distasteful. .

Why?

I think its you whos the funny one or more sinister at that.

 

[STFC]

You never did get round to filling us in on your non-racist version of fascism did you?

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought I'd addressed that here.

This excerpt from Wikipedia pretty much sums it up:

Nazism differed from Fascism proper in the emphasis on the state's purpose in serving its national ideal on the basis of a national race, specifically the social engineering of culture to the ends of the greatest possible prosperity for German race at the expense of all else and all others. In contrast, Mussolini's Fascism held that cultural factors existed to serve the state, and that it wasn't necessarily in the state's interest to serve or engineer any of these particulars within its sphere. The only purpose of government under Fascism was to uphold the state as supreme above all else, and for these reasons it can be said to have been a governmental statolatry. Where Nazism spoke of "Volk", Fascism talked of "State".

And i see you've removed your parroting of fascist slogans now then. And yet you admire men of firm principles. Hmm...

Yes, it was stupid of me to post them in the first place. It was just meant as a wind up. I shouldn't drink so much at lunchtime.

 

[STFC]

Quote:
Originally Posted by STFC Loyal
You're a funny one.

I admire Di Canio for actually having an opinion, unlike most footballers..



Even though his opinion is repugnant?


Quote:
Originally Posted by STFC Loyal
but personally I find the communist Lucarelli of Livorno more distasteful. .



Why?

I think its you whos the funny one or more sinister at that.

I don't find his opinion repugnant. That doesn't mean I completely agree with it, but neither do I think he should be crucified for it.

There's nothing sinister about my defence of Di Canio, I'm no more a Fascist than I am a Communist, I've just read a few books and find the whole thing fascinating. It's not as if I'm advocating a Fascist revolution or anything, and nor is Di Canio I believe. This is not the early 20th Century, the world is a very different place now.

 

[butchersapron]

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought I'd addressed that here.

This excerpt from Wikipedia pretty much sums it up:

Right, it's time we nailed this pro-fascist myth put around by the MSI and other neo-fascist sympathisers after the war. Italian fascism was from the very start based on ultra-nationalist ideas - the idea of a white Italian (or Roman) super race, genetically superior to all other races -esp the africans just across the mediteranean was one of the first rallying points Mussolini developed.

This racial ideology was later extended and used as the key justification and mobilising force for the invasion of Abyssinia where an effective apaprtheid and series of racial laws was introduced in the areas the Italians controlled, somthing which Mussolini did off his own back without prompting from Hitler. The fascist state was explicitly racist in it's external dealings, and had said that it would be from before the movement ever got a whiff of power.

As for the question of the relationship of the jewish community to the fascists, well yes, there were a few Jews in the early fascist movement (700 at it's peak, but dropping off very sharply once they had gained power). And yes, the Racial laws forbidding jews from entering education, the professions, marrying non-jews etc were introduced under the influence of Hitler and yes, the jews left in Italy were not sent off to the camps until the last possible moment - but those laws wereenacted[/i] and those jews were sent off to the camps (including ones that the Italians had set up thmselves).

So it's a matter of degree not essential difference to german fascism in this case, not of quality. They both were racist, the Germans more openly and viciously. Which in no way lets Italian fascism off the hook.

(And Dave, what on earth are you on about the fascists seperating the church and state? They did the exact opposite - the Lateran accords recognised the catholic church as the official state church of Italy for the first time as well as giving it partial control of the education sysytem and a whole raft of civil lawa were put into their hands - exclusive control of marriages etc).

 

[Larry O'Hara]

As it happens...

one of the key ideologists concerning the race aspect of Italian fascism was somebody I have studied extensively, Count Julius Evola, who if anything criticised Mussolini from the Right, as a populist rabble-rouser. Employed by the (German) SS archaelogical section during the war, Evola was what we can call a 'spiritual racist' whereby he denied biological racism, arguing that the Southern European race was at the pinnacle of a hierarchy of races, ahead even of the Germans (a theory not too popular in Nazi Germany actually). In the end though, if you analyse the sub-text of Evola, as with his political descendants in the UK (political soldier NF and currently the Griffin BNP), the biological aspect to race is still there, with superiority semantically redefined as 'difference'--hence making racists feel good about themselves. Within Italy, Evola had a monumental if slightly subterranean influence on the bomb-inclined wing of Italian neo-fascism (such as Franco Freda), most notably through his key work 'Revolt Against the Modern World'. Thus, although racism was presented in a different way, Italian fascism was nonetheless racist. As dangerous now (if not more so) than crude biological 'superiorist' racism.

 

[kained&able]

(And Dave, what on earth are you on about the fascists seperating the church and state? They did the exact opposite - the Lateran accords recognised the catholic church as the official state church of Italy for the first time as well as giving it partial control of the education sysytem and a whole raft of civil lawa were put into their hands - exclusive control of marriages etc).

Umm can't be arsed to try and find it again but wasm't it musolini who made vatican city an independent state? and significently reduced its power in italian law making procedures.(obviously as he was a dictator but it has kinda remained since)

and umm wouldn't it have made sense to make that post like 4 pages ago. Would have saved a lot of me being a bit silly.(still think nowt should ahppen to dicanio though)


dave

 

[Larry O'Hara]

wasm't it musolini who made vatican city an independent state? and significently reduced its power in italian law making procedures

1) No: he formally recognised & accepted their right to exist in the 1929 Lateran Treaty, which thereby legitimated them.

2) After the Risorgimento,the Vatican had no formal influence on law-making, therefore Mussolini did not reduce their power.

If you are seeking to use a sanitised version of Italian history to argue for leniency for Di Canio, don't bother. Politically, he's a fascist shit--his merits lie on the football field (I still fondly remember the occasion at Goodison a few seasons back when he passed up a gold-plated opportunity to score for West Ham because he could see the Everton goalkeeper was injured).

 

[kained&able]

re the everton thingy it really wasn't on a golden plate he was 12-16 yards out with 4 defenders between him in the goal. It would have been a hell of a goal to put in.

Still fair play.


dave

 

[Biffo]

Sorry to drag this thread up again but I thought you would be interested to know that Di Canio has stated he will stop his Fascist salutes from now on:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/4583316.stm