DHTV: Dulwich Hamlet TV

Discussion in 'Dulwich Hamlet FC' started by YTC, Sep 8, 2016.

  1. liamdhfc

    liamdhfc Well-Known Member

    Rallying for a new stadium doesn't really involve sponsorship and in fact the channel will be a good place to get messages across when we arrive at that stage. The same applies for supporting handover of the club to the Trust. We all support it in principle but need to work hard, and quickly, to get everything aligned to do it; again I don't think this is detrimental and gives a voice to this when it arrives.
    Overall, this will be very attractive to sponsors in general and even to investors if we are on the path to getting "screwed"
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  2. Scutta

    Scutta Live Fast Die Bizarre

    I suppose I mean focus...but as you rightly point out we could use this to focus people
    completely agree think it will be really good for that
    I like Mishi's suggestion as part of the route to go down, maybe get more emphasis and everyone working together quickly, I hope the trust take up Mishi's suggestion on that.

    These are reasons to definitely do this but has it been thought out how many people these might reach versus the extra effort and money paid into it?

    Esp with attendances dropping, do we expect this to bring more people in to the club with this (how?) rather than just reaching out to the people you would definitely expect to be watching just for highlights anyway or accessing the other channels as normal?

    Has anyone looked into the numbers? Do you have any access to the numbers of hits etc we have for the other channels of communication we have already, plus cost etc etc. I would be happy to take a look and discuss. happy to volunteer time. I mean usually all this is done (to this extent) when you have a huge established fanbase already not just 300 - 1000 people watching, so would be interesting to see how or if we could use it in an opposite way to grow the club.

    Also will the sponsorship we get on the TV just literally be to pay for the TV or will we get extra for players or whatever else we may need, (covers behind the goal)?

    I will definitely do my best to advertise promote it over here as much as possible. As long as we dont get a whirling [insert sponsors name noone likes] sponsors goal logo before each replay :D:D

    I dont either, just got to make sure its done in the right way. As there is an argument that since the direction has changed a little bit from fun DIY etc last season to a more "commercialised" route, the over sponsorship, can banning, bar price rises etc, that this could have affected crowds this season, ... as thats the stuff people were heading here to get away from (see attendances for 1st four games of seasons over the last few years below) I mean these should be increasing (even if only a little bit) not going down, as the football on the pitch in terms of progression is getting better season on season...... although been great to see the club try to reinstate and balance some of that stuff like the music and allowing the fans to paint etc etc... hopefully this will continue and actually using the TV channel to champion that could be really important rather than slick corporate advertisement. Or at least a mix, I would like to see a late night Shaun Dooley quiz show called "Have that you C*nt!":p


    not sure i get this exactly... unless we are aiming to attract Rio and his Merked TV or whatever it was, that would be funny, we could be the new Salford!!!! but not with just a show a whole TV channel, screw you Neville brothers! :D :facepalm:

    not trying to criticize
    Last edited: Sep 16, 2016
  3. StephenMac

    StephenMac Well-Known Member

    Summer fixtures have low attendances so looking at an average attendance at this stage is pretty misleading. There was just short of 1,100 last Saturday which is close to bang on last season's average. Think the banning of people bringing in booze may play a part in any drop off but if it's the crate of beer ladzzz who have stopped coming then that's a result in my book.

    Think the idea of 'over sponsorship' by which you obviously mean KFH being sponsors having a significant effect on attendances may be wishful thinking. I'd be surprised if many have gone down that route. There's obviously one person who is sorely missed by many though. Correlation not causation if anything i'd have thought.

    Maybe some have been put off by the rather limited views last season when the place was packed. I want the club to thrive obviously but it's a pain in the arse of a ground when there's 2,000 and upwards in. There may also be those who've lost interest because we weren't promoted - if so then my feelings would be similar to those I feel for the crate boys.
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  4. YTC

    YTC Human Man

    If only we could extend the terraces behind the goal. What a glorious dream that would be.

    Got to admit, I don't think there's going to be a drop in average attendance this season. Far from it. A lot of people (including regulars) have been away recently. I think we'll start seeing some bigger crowds as the nights get darker (and colder!)
  5. Scutta

    Scutta Live Fast Die Bizarre

    I think you have misunderstood, they are all based on the first 4 games of the season total and the pink line is average of those 4 games each season. not full average for each season versus the average now, it is based on like for like....figures below.... for clarity... we should see an increase not a decrease in those 4 games:


    so its not misleading... there as been a 20% drop in attendances.

    But thats where we need to have a happy medium, like less door staff bag searching and bouncers

    It may not be a huge amount due to that one specific thing, and again i have said this a million times it was about that being a part of many things happening all at once. from being billed as one type of club but then look like another may have an effect on the growth rather than people no longer coming or coming for one and going actually it ent that much different to anything else.

    This is a very good point and agree, so if we are to continue to grow the club should we put some effort into temporary solutions now, not just hope wait fingers crossed we will get a new stadium

    more people to watch the tv channel if we did that!

    I would offer a bet on that but i hope we will increase hence raising this now and praising the club for noticing it i.e. with the music and the artwork less KFH logos on tweets.

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  6. Griff_Turnstile

    Griff_Turnstile Agenda confused turnstile operator

    Need to compare like against like in these games. Correct me if I'm wrong but the Tuesday night attendance against Enfield was highest than all but one of our Tuesday night fixtures last season, admiitedly well done on league fixture against them last season (2249) but that was in January by which time momentum had grown. Last season's first four games included games against Staines Town and Billericay Town on Saturdays, both clubs with good travelling support and easy travelling to Champion Hill. This season we have played Leiston who don't bring many. Compare the one game that appears in both, Canvey Island. Last season 877, this season 874. So early doors yet. League Cup game against Thamesmead last season attracted 245, Tuesday night versus Grays saw a crowd of 374, nearly 150 bigger than any others in the competition. A lot will depend on how we play, so too early to panic yet.
  7. YTC

    YTC Human Man

    £20 right now Scutta. I think a lot of people are keen to see a downturn to feed their own opinions. I don't think the club are moving in an attempt to stem panic re:numbers. 4 games in....

    You started your job yet? You seem to have some time on your hands mate! :D
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  8. StephenMac

    StephenMac Well-Known Member

    Ah right, fair point. Think Griff offers good points though.
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  9. Scutta

    Scutta Live Fast Die Bizarre

    yes he does and i hope its right, I want the club to do well, i dont want it to fail, hence speaking out that's all its passion man thats all passion yeah.
    i dont want the club to fuck up hence speaking up as i said passion bruv. im highlighting it now to say lets do something about. Normally i dont bet but i will take this one, with the hope you are so desperate to win it you will put the effort in to make sure the worries i have dont become a reality, i am happy to pay £20 for that.
    I started 2 weeks a go and my productivity has increased as well as my ability too argue on the internet. Germany has turned me into an efficient mean market research internet arguer mother fucker, dats right. peace.

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  10. YTC

    YTC Human Man

    Those Germans really do know how to get the best out of people. You're on fire my man.

    BTW, wasn't a specific nod to you the previous line, I've seen a few people speak about it on other platforms and it all seems a bit silly to me.
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  11. liamdhfc

    liamdhfc Well-Known Member

    Coming back to a few points. The YouTube channel will, we hope, make the parents snd children of junior sides and football in the community scheme feel more a part of the club and allow us to showcase player and fan community engagement.

    A full review of all online engagement points is taking place and a new website will then follow.

    I am a little confused about the alleged "over sponsorship" of the club. We have no stadium sponsor, no tracksuit sponsor, no polo shirt sponsor. We have one stand sponsored and one named after an old player. We have no naming sponsor of the bar. We have a partnership logo on the back of shirts and our charity partner on the shorts (no income from either). That just leaves the kit with one sponsor and some advertising on the dugouts, and perimeter and programme advertising, mstch, ball and player sponsorship sold at rates lower than other clubs at our level, - it's a long way from rampant commercialisation.

    Turning to the TV, it is a separate business so will look to cover its costs and profit will go to direct to playing budget.

    As for ground improvements, let's be realistic. There will be no cover behind goals, extra terracing or anything else until planning is resolved and we are either moving on or facing a plan b in the current stadium
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  12. Scutta

    Scutta Live Fast Die Bizarre

    which is hugely important a good way for fans of our ilk to understand that aspect of the club as well.
    i have answered that point above and many times before in regards to it being one part of many things. and i should have written "over the top" I for KFH, i apologise for my phrasing
    ruined a joke i was saving for later ;)
    see above for incorrect phrasing. Although not having this should go without saying
    what does separate business mean? Is it not our TV channel, does the club not own it? why would the profits go to the playing budget if it is separate?
    why not more bums on seats more sponsors and more people to watch the channel!

    be good to have my other points discussed, as I said happy to volunteer time can you drop me an email.
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2016
  13. pitchfork

    pitchfork Well-Known Member

    Anyone think attendances have dropped because we are playing boring football certainly turned me off a bit!
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  14. liamdhfc

    liamdhfc Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure I get your points. Firstly, separate business means it does not belong to Hadley/Meadow like the rest of the club. It is a standalone entity.

    I will not agree we have any over the top sponsorship when we have 1 large sponsor and if we are to grow financially we need far more sponsors than we have.

    As for the ground, it will be maintained to ensure its grading but it is not going to get money spent on it when there is no time to get a return on investment whichever way planning goes.
  15. Scutta

    Scutta Live Fast Die Bizarre

    but as before that's small point of bigger thing. focusing on it individually is pointless.
    As I said email, i know I contribute the clusterfuck of many a thread but probably worth not on this as this stuff is too important.
  16. sleaterkinney

    sleaterkinney Well-Known Member

    Attendances are just right about now. It was always going to tail off once the hype died down and the booze ban helped that.
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  17. Scutta

    Scutta Live Fast Die Bizarre

    although as much as i love footballwebpages will it do live streaming?
  18. dcdulwich

    dcdulwich Well-Known Member

    The first four games last season were all on Saturdays and included the official 'Non League Saturday' match which attracted an attendance of 1545 (almost 600 up on the average of the three games prior). The two after that - both on Tuesdays - were 625 and 555.
    My sense is that crowds are down a shade this season but not quite as dramatically as the raw figures (compared with the first four games of last season) might suggest.
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2016
  19. YTC

    YTC Human Man

    Some relief after yesterday, The 4-0 against Grays from Tuesday night.

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  20. Griff_Turnstile

    Griff_Turnstile Agenda confused turnstile operator

    All Dulwich matches up to date have now been uploaded to the DHFCTV Channel on YouTube, thanks to Tom and Jamal for that. Remember to subscribe to the channel to keep updated as new content is posted.

    Dulwich Hamlet TV
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  21. EDC

    EDC A Slightly Less Invisible Cyber Fan These Days

    Is it possible to change the title of all those home defeats as LOWLIGHTS?
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  22. Griff_Turnstile

    Griff_Turnstile Agenda confused turnstile operator

    BTW if you pop over there now there's details of new signing
  23. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

    Good to see that Dulwich Hamlet TV seems to appear on a more frequent basis
    its certainly great to see goals a day after the game

    so thank you !
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  24. liamdhfc

    liamdhfc Well-Known Member

    Be nice to get some sponsors on board for it as without them it won't be able to continue long term
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  25. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

    What about the Supporters' Trust investing some of the money that's been sitting in the '100 Club' bank annount and never been spent? Surely this would be a perfect use for some of it?
  26. Scutta

    Scutta Live Fast Die Bizarre

    What are the packages offered?
  27. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

    Wouldn't it make a good package, if when you joined DHST you got access to DHFCTV in the membership

    I certainly feel being able to see key goals and interviews soon after events happen - encourages fans to get more involved

    That said obviously if we had the option should remain open and free to all, but not sure of the financial constraints

    But as stated a great initiative
  28. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    It would be interesting to know what kind of viewing figures these videos are attracting.
  29. Aly Murty

    Aly Murty Active Member

    A quick look on the YouTube channel shows the viewing figures.
    The loss to Hendon in the FA Cup has 944 views, whereas our draw with Met Police has 185 views. On average they seem to get 400-600 views.
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  30. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Ah, cheers. So pretty low figures then. Worth noting when allocating valuable resources. I've got some ideas that might make it more popular, but as I'm utterly useless at video it's always easier to throw around ideas when it's not me that has to do all the work.
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