Derren Brown - one-off programme
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Juice Terry
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I don't believe for a minute any of those punters were genuine, they were all actors. Theres no way he sent out several thousand camcorders so they could all film themselves. If you look at the background scenery of the videos of them putting on their first bets, they are all in Hatton Garden!
Why go to all the trouble and expense of executing a very complicated scam when theres a much cheaper and easier scam. The jokes still on us.
Why go to all the trouble and expense of executing a very complicated scam when theres a much cheaper and easier scam. The jokes still on us.
Oh please, were you not listenning? The number of participants in the system was divided by the number of horses running for every race. For the first few races the participants recieved only an email and text, only when the number of participants had reduced to about 36 did they recieve camcorders. Hardly an unweildy or expensive venture for a large production company.
I think he's a fucking don. He's a master at his skills, and the magic and feeling of being tricked is always there. But at the same time he actively discourages superstitious thinking, and explains how he does things.
The programme was great, not least because it was a very elegant example of probability and the 'impossible' coming true
I think he's a fucking don. He's a master at his skills, and the magic and feeling of being tricked is always there. But at the same time he actively discourages superstitious thinking, and explains how he does things.
The programme was great, not least because it was a very elegant example of probability and the 'impossible' coming true
Juice Terry
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Oh please, were you not listenning? The number of participants in the system was divided by the number of horses running for every race. For the first few races the participants recieved only an email and text, only when the number of participants had reduced to about 36 did they recieve camcorders. Hardly an unweildy or expensive venture for a large production company.
I think he's a fucking don. He's a master at his skills, and the magic and feeling of being tricked is always there. But at the same time he actively discourages superstitious thinking, and explains how he does things.
The programme was great, not least because it was a very elegant example of probability and the 'impossible' coming true
Yes I was listening very closely unlike you it seems
. How come they had film of the main woman putting on her first bet for 20 quid? If they had film of her first bet, logically they must have had film of all of them putting on their first bet, as at that point they would have no idea how far they would last. And why were all the videos including hers shot in the same road in London?
Crispy
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Probably because they invited the qualifying 36 to London to simplify the logistics of filming.Yes I was listening very closely unlike you it seems
fogbat
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Yes I was listening very closely unlike you it seems
By the time she placed her first bet she'd watched several races already. This means the numbers were already reduced to a manageable level.
Juice Terry
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But they were all supposed to be filming themselves? What logistics does that involve.
Can't believe you are all so willing to believe his version of events, a self confessed trickster, liar and charlatan. They were all actors, its so obvious.
Juice Terry
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No i think she put down cash on the second race.
Crispy
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Did you see the one he did where he went to America? @Messiah@ it was called. He tricked and convinced real people - so-called psychic experts etc. These are real people - you can look them up. He does have real skills.
Besides, there would be no need to set up the betting one. It would work exactly as advertised.
Juice Terry
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Yeah I've seen that one and that was genuine. I just get the feeling he's getting lazier with each show though, there was just so much "not right" about the supposed self shot videos, the location for a start, the people just did not come across as genuine members of the public. If you gave camcorders to loads of people and asked them to shoot themselves putting on a bet you would surely end up with a great variety of clips but these were all nearly identical. The film of her going to visit her dad to get money was so fake as well. Theres a distinct difference between genuine amateur footage and staged stuff, you can spot it a mile off.
Augie March
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Hang on, there is absolutely no need to fake the show is there? The whole system wasn't a cleverly disguised trick that required actors or staged set-ups. It was all based on perfectly sound logic in regards to probabilty. The whole thing worked logically and made sense, why would there be any need to hire actors to pretend that it worked? 
Juice Terry
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Because its quicker, easier, cheaper and makes better telly. What guarrantee did they have for instance that the eventual main character would film anything resembling a watchable video diary, it might have been utter garbage.Hang on, there is absolutely no need to fake the show is there? The whole system wasn't a cleverly disguised trick that required actors or staged set-ups. It was all based on perfectly sound logic in regards to probabilty. The whole thing worked logically and made sense, why would there be any need to hire actors to pretend that it worked?
How about half the entrants lost their bottle and bailed out after 3/4 successful bets. Meaning they end up with no winner.
They didn't need to actually go through with the massive, complicated scam to make a successful TV show, they just needed to convince the audience that they had.
The premise for the show is that it is fake anyway.
danny la rouge
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Only in the same sense that it is fake when a presenter knocks at a member of the public's door and pretends that's the first time they've done it.
It was staged, but not necessarily fake.
But that doesn't mean they didn't really contact all those people.
Seems I am wrong he was a weak player - he was rated 2200 ILO
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=1610
hmm! Don't think he could have beaten him with a few mental tricks - the guy said he'd played like a grandmaster against him
DF has done some research and corrected me here.... it's ELO of course, not ILO... and it seems this guy isn't on any ranking lists, and can't really play.
So my original proposition stands that Derren simply beat him fair and square
Juice Terry
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OK so how many did they start with, I can't remember, it was several thousand though wasn't? All recruited with what was basically a spam email promising riches through a horse race betting system. What percentage of people would actually
a) receive the email past spam filters
b) read the email
c) believe the email
d) reply and then go through with it
I would guess optimistically at around 1 in a 10,000? Unless of course they were fully enlisted C4 stooges that we've sen many times before on these typs of so called reality shows.
Its just too much hassle to go through the process when it could all be faked.
Do people also really believe he stood there for 9 hours tossing a coin into a bowl? Come on! wise up!
cliche guevara
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The film was uninterrupted. How else did he do it?
cliche guevara
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Okay, granted, but why would he? Derren goes to great lengths to decieve, I fully believe that he did this until he got the result he wanted. Although, at a probability of 1/1024, and assuming he averaged 5 coin tosses a minute (could easily have been much more), you wouldn't expect it to take much more than four hours. Nine is quite unfortunate.
Augie March
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Well, I would imagine the people that got that e-mail had probably replied to an advert in the first place, I doubt they were just a randomly selected a bunch people. If they wanted to believe in a system in the first place, then they would've been more susceptible to the e-mail than anyone else.
Yep, didn’t believe he stood there and tossed a coin for hours on end. Didn’t believe he only bought one ticket at the end of the show. Didn’t believe that the pool of people were selected randomly (possibly they were from TV extra agencies and deemed to be suitable for TV?)
cliche guevara
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chico enrico
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he's a showman. It's entertainment. Like superman. just have a google for any of his interviews after that 'russian roulette' hoax show which was a peerless illsutration of just how gullible and credulous folks can be.
did you really think there was one millionth of a chance the bullet in his revolver would have been real?
do you really think there is one millionth of a chance he could really have a 'system' that predicts the result of horse-races?
same thing mate.
I heard they filmed that 6 times, and just didn't broadcast the one where he blew his brains out.
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