subversplat
writer of wrongs
Erk sorry, I thought people liked to find this stuff out? 
Derren Brown - one-off programme
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8ball
World is a fuck
Erk sorry, I thought people liked to find this stuff out?
Nah, I do actually.
I just thought it would be something more 'clever'.
subversplat
writer of wrongs
I never saw the chess one. Something for the youtube!
8ball
World is a fuck
It was against a weak player (university chess club chap) and quite possibly Derren was simply better than him. Don't know how he did the pieces left prediction thing at the end though
e2a: just watched it again... my only guess is he or an accomplice pickpocketed him and switched envelopes. Quite possible!
8ball
World is a fuck
Don't believe that for a second but I can believe that Derren mentally overpowered him somehow and won the game with rudimentary chess.
Seems I am wrong he was a weak player - he was rated 2200 ILO
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=1610
hmm! Don't think he could have beaten him with a few mental tricks - the guy said he'd played like a grandmaster against him
8ball
World is a fuck
hmm! Don't think he could have beaten him with a few mental tricks - the guy said he'd played like a grandmaster against him
Yeah, people 'remember' all sorts of things when it comes to encounters with Derren Brown. It's what he does.
fogbat
The Talibum
Err...this is worrying
http://scrummymamma.blogspot.com/20...-night-which-made-me.html#c748041993714833900
Check her link - she's a Dr at Bristol University.......sounds dodgy as fuck if you ask me.
----looks like she's a loon, she is on other blogs saying how he's telepathic and goes into great detail about how she's tested him etc.
From that blog, it looks like a million monkeys did get a million typewriters
Always entertaining for me. I too have seen him live. The only time I have ever gone to Croydon, intentionally. 
Some of the stuff was truly boggling... but that's magicianship I guess. Some weeks after the show I got talking to someone who'd been on stage... and revealed how some of the tricks were done. All good stuff though. D.Brown over D.Blaine any day of the week.
Some of the stuff was truly boggling... but that's magicianship I guess. Some weeks after the show I got talking to someone who'd been on stage... and revealed how some of the tricks were done. All good stuff though. D.Brown over D.Blaine any day of the week.
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
That one where he beat all the master chess players? He just memorised their moves and played them against each other 
Tonight's was good - the message was don't belive the hype - probability and luck is about MATHS, not FEELING. The final win was obviously a slight of hand ticket switch.
Tonight's was good - the message was don't belive the hype - probability and luck is about MATHS, not FEELING. The final win was obviously a slight of hand ticket switch.
stretchy18
New Member
I thought it was entertaining, maybe I'm just a biff but I spend most my time thinking how the fuck is he doing this.
I have a low "Lightbulb moment" threshold
Interestingly I kind of trust the guys "Honesty" when watching I go with the idea that its not camera trickery or cutting but he is following through on some process which will eventually lead to an interesting conclusion/explanation
Unlike the "survivor" like programs where blokes are "dropped of in the deadly wilderness to survive" but fuck off to the hotel every night
The link to the bird accusing him of rape is seriously fecking bonkers and a bit disturbing
I have a low "Lightbulb moment" threshold
Interestingly I kind of trust the guys "Honesty" when watching I go with the idea that its not camera trickery or cutting but he is following through on some process which will eventually lead to an interesting conclusion/explanation
Unlike the "survivor" like programs where blokes are "dropped of in the deadly wilderness to survive" but fuck off to the hotel every night
The link to the bird accusing him of rape is seriously fecking bonkers and a bit disturbing
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That was a pretty rubbish show. It was obvious he wasn't going to lose her 4g's. Had that horse not won that he actually bet on, we would have seen a different outcome and she'd have gotten her money back anyway. All in all a bit of a pointless affair really. It wasn't a system or an exercise in anything.
Augie March
blahem
Of course it wasn't a system, it was an exercise in demonstrating the probability of predicting an unpredictable outcome. If you expected him to reveal a system that defies all known logic, then I'd imagine you probably would be a bit dissappointed in the show.
cliche guevara
Well-Known Member
I think you kind of missed the point. People were saying that there was no way Derren would film several versions of the show, and only show the successful one. He didn't do that, he filmed several versions of the show, and let us in on the secret, which is a big part of his appeal. It's totally different to the suggestion that he would mislead the audience by making them think that he had a system for picking the correct horse every time.
I was hoping for something better than this. It was a poor effort. It proves and tells me nothing. It's fairly obvious that if you do something for long enough you can get the desired result. Wasting nine hours flipping a coin is an exercise in futility in anyone's book surely.
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
I think everyone should be made to watch Derren Brown. The point is, he isn't magic. And the messages he's getting across are messages everyone should know. Some people know them intellectually, but don't internalise them, and this show was a demonstration in what probability actually means.
Sure, everyone with any degree of understanding of probability guessed what was going on by the time he got ten heads in a row. The point is, ten heads in a row is possible. And if you were to get them, you'd be freaked out. But you shouldn't be. Because eventually anyone can get ten heads in a row. Derren could have got them first, second or fifth time. But that wouldn't have changed the odds.
I'm not sure why people want wizardry, when all any magician does is explicable.
Sure, everyone with any degree of understanding of probability guessed what was going on by the time he got ten heads in a row. The point is, ten heads in a row is possible. And if you were to get them, you'd be freaked out. But you shouldn't be. Because eventually anyone can get ten heads in a row. Derren could have got them first, second or fifth time. But that wouldn't have changed the odds.
I'm not sure why people want wizardry, when all any magician does is explicable.
8ball
World is a fuck
That one where he beat all the master chess players? He just memorised their moves and played them against each other
There were an odd number of chess players (aside from Derren)- we were debating how he guaranteed beating the last one to be overall winner.
Like many of his programs, there was a basic trick and a second trick he doesn't tell you about, involving an extra element os subtlety.
8ball
World is a fuck
The point was that with a simple system for eliminating negatives he could do something intuitively unfeasible if you look at the absolute odds (which he spoke about early on).
Though you're right, I was a little disappointed too.
Agent Sparrow
AGENT TRAITOR; fools 8 year olds
I did find myself wondering what would happen legally if the woman featured on the programme, or any other of the participants who had never gambled before they were told to, developed gambling problems after the show.
Augie March
blahem
Agreed.
An illusionist who utilizes the power of psychology and maths, as opposed to just parlour tricks (although, I suspect Brown himself has relied on such techniques sometimes), is far more interesting in my book. He raises intriguing questions about the human psyche and the power of suggestion in the shows that he does.
This show in particular, although fairly obvious when you start to watch it, is fascinating in it's use of basic probablity to make someone believe in the impossible. Yep, the ending was a bit of a let-down, to be honest I'd have perferred her to actually lose the bet just to expose the sham of having a guaranteed system of prediction. But I guess that'd have been a bit harsh on the poor woman!
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
I imagine watching the finished show would have had the opposite effect.
shh- Alex B's doing the system! he's already more than halved the number of entrants...
Agent Sparrow
AGENT TRAITOR; fools 8 year olds
But I guess if someone discovered a thrill to gambling which they had never experienced before because they had never tried.... You would think that watching the programme would make it less likely that people would develop gambling problems because of it stating that there is no system, but that would be a very rational analysis, and people aren't always rational.
I quite enjoyed it last night. I still don't know how he did the trick with the 4 people picking a random picture and the picture matching what was in their envelopes.
Baffled me too. However he did it, part of it at least is something he does over and over. Something printed / drawn, in an envelope, held by the participant, later revealed to be whatever, inexplicably.
Augie March
blahem
I quite enjoyed it last night. I still don't know how he did the trick with the 4 people picking a random picture and the picture matching what was in their envelopes.
I reckon that this was one of the more psychological tricks he does. I think he somehow influenced all of them into picking people with the same inital surnames. Once he's got them doing that, the rest of the trick just falls into place.
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