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Derren Brown - how he does it *spoilers

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Fun show last night (Night of Wonders) - for me its fun to work out how the tricks are done, though you should just let it lie and enjoy the show. I've worked out how about 3/4 of the tricks are done (i think!)

If you want to know versions, read on...

Likewise, if you have any better theories please post them.

Gorrila trick

This was great, but a quick rewind show how it was done:

he goes over to the board, throws over the flip chart, and at the same time moving to behind the flip chart stand. The audience spends a second reading the revealed sign, not really noticing that he has gone behind the board. A hand immediately appears as on top of the board, giving the impression it is Derren's hand - this is a stage hands hand, who is taking Derren's place.

THe fact that Derren has a mic on means he can talk all the way through, without his voice appearing off stage.

If you see it a second time its obvious. Great old school trick though - I say old school, but Im not sure it could be done wihtout a mic, as you could tell his voice is off stage.

Table Turning

Derren does a lot of hypnosis tricks, and this was one of them. Hypnosis, especially on unsuspecting victims, is very dangerous, and for the record I dont approve!

First off, the hypnosis:

He gets 12 people up on stage, and as they come up one by one he tries a very quick hypnosis on them. This wont work on everyone, but it will on a few. How to check who is hypnotised? Using the dangling string thing...

As they all dangle a string those who are hypnotised will begin to spin their strings using the Ideomotor effect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideomotor_effect

The 9succesfully hypnotised) spinning string people are then singled out for the table pushing act.

The key here is having 4 hypnotised people pushing a table around on command. At all times there are commands from Derren, and then later the other members of the audience on stage, telling them where to push the table.

The later floating table bit requires a trick table cloth and the same principle.

...have to do some work now, but more solutions later :)

P.S> that show The Hiest was not, as Derren pretended, at all to do with suggestion (billboards saying rob a bank etc.), it was all hypnosis.


500 or 5000

Most of this trick is just patter and showmanship - which is enjoyable, and is designed to get the most out of the trick.

Ultimately it is simple: the box is a trick box which can show either 500 or 5000 pounds. Just before he took off the cover his hand linger on the top of the box and looked like it was pressing a button. This makes any necessary switch. Never trust a box in a magic show!

Then he goes to the flipchart and reveals - "Why do men always choose £5000". Its pretty likely that on another page it said "Why do people always change their minds" or whatever.

There probably is an element of steering going on on the chatty bits.

The Dad Phonecall

Here he gets someone to call their dad and guess 3 digit numbers. AS it is impossible to predict what three numbers will be chosen the trick goes "wrong", and Derren fails to guess the numbers.

The serial number on the £10 note that has the correct 9 digit number would have to be made with a fairly simple stamp in the wings. AS the numbers are written up, so they would be added to the note. Then its just a simple task of getting the newly stamped note to Derren.

All through the trick he keeps walking over to the flipchart, fiddling about with the microphone, and generaly acting eratic. This is to distract the audience from the fake note being set up near/on the flipchart.

Derren walks over to the flip chart once after all the numbers are up on the board and pockets it.As its folded up so small it is easy to palm and conceal.

20 Questions

The giveaway with 20 Questions was that the 6 people had to write down the answers on a bit of paper at the back of the stage. One way or another (either using cameras or something under the table on which the notes where written) the information that was written down was noted imediately by helpers off-stage.

THey then quickly write on a big sign 1. UFO 2. WHIP etc.

The 6 memebers of the public are brought to the front of the stage. Derren then makes an excuse to go to the table at the back - at that point he looks off stage to see the sign saying who wrote what. He quickly remembers this and can then fuck about pretending to ask questions, already knowing full well who got what.
 
I want to know how he knew personal histories, like "you're thinking about dying your hair". He said that twice. Do women just always think about dying their hair? Like saying to a man "you've recently thought about Konnie Huq"?
 
I want to know how he knew personal histories, like "you're thinking about dying your hair". He said that twice. Do women just always think about dying their hair? Like saying to a man "you've recently thought about Konnie Huq"?

I'd say so, yeah.
 
Gorrila trick

This was great, but a quick rewind show how it was done:

he goes over to the board, throws over the flip chart, and at the same time moving to behind the flip chart stand. The audience spends a second reading the revealed sign, not really noticing that he has gone behind the board. A hand immediately appears as on top of the board, giving the impression it is Derren's hand - this is a stage hands hand, who is taking Derren's place.

THe fact that Derren has a mic on means he can talk all the way through, without his voice appearing off stage.

If you see it a second time its obvious. Great old school trick though - I say old school, but Im not sure it could be done wihtout a mic, as you could tell his voice is off stage.
 
I want to know how he knew personal histories, like "you're thinking about dying your hair". He said that twice. Do women just always think about dying their hair? Like saying to a man "you've recently thought about Konnie Huq"?

I saw a show of his where he guess what animal someone was thinking about (llama)...then revealed that there were a few pics of llamas in the lobby where we came in.
 
It was bloody clever, that's for sure.

Might be a coincidence, but I was thinking "mouse" very early on when he was playing 20 questions with one woman.


Someone else to add to the "Eat their brains and get their powarz" list :rolleyes:
 
Table Turning

Derren does a lot of hypnosis tricks, and this was one of them. Hypnosis, especially on unsuspecting victims, is very dangerous, and for the record I dont approve!

First off, the hypnosis:

He gets 12 people up on stage, and as they come up one by one he tries a very quick hypnosis on them. This wont work on everyone, but it will on a few. How to check who is hypnotised? Using the dangling string thing...

As they all dangle a string those who are hypnotised will begin to spin their strings using the Ideomotor effect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideomotor_effect

The 9succesfully hypnotised) spinning string people are then singled out for the table pushing act.

The key here is having 4 hypnotised people pushing a table around on command. At all times there are commands from Derren, and then later the other members of the audience on stage, telling them where to push the table.

The later floating table bit requires a trick table cloth and the same principle.

...have to do some work now, but more solutions later :)

P.S> that show The Hiest was not, as Derren pretended, at all to do with suggestion (billboards saying rob a bank etc.), it was all hypnosis.
 
These are the obvious tricks. I was hoping that you would tell me how he managed to guess UFO and whip in 20 questions.
 
These are the obvious tricks. I was hoping that you would tell me how he managed to guess UFO and whip in 20 questions.

he had one of these in his pocketsies:

20questions.jpg
 
Remember that Derren has a fantastic memory (his library trick comes to mind). And then remember that 90% of that audience booked tickets with a credit card. And that it isn't difficult to get information about people once you have their name, address, credit card details and whatnot.

So he's memorised a certain proportion of the audience and a few relevant details about them, which he can then use. And that's the easy part, FFS! How he does the other stuff is even more incredible, cold reading, the fact that each audience gives similar responses, body language, giving hints, etc.

Also remember that smoke and mirrors are a good part, distraction, changing things around. I understand the principles behind it but it's done so well that no matter how hard you look, you're still impressed. The man is a fecking genius innit.
 
Yeah, the table trick is pretty straightforward, and old school. But a good demonstration of why you shouldn't be taken in by Mystics and Mediums. I've seen a woman - totally convinced of her own genuineness - do a similar thing on herself!
 
I have a Derren Question. All those little head shakes and nods he does -- are they just tics or are they a crucial part of his techniques?
 
I have a Derren Question. All those little head shakes and nods he does -- are they just tics or are they a crucial part of his techniques?

According to my slightly obsessed housemate, crucial part of his body language, controlling and whatnot. I got bored of him explaining it and shut down.

what was that, I dont recall it.

Apparently he got someone to pick a book at random from a library and then a page, and then a paragraph, and then Derren read it word for word. The explanation was his prodigious memory and the academic tricks he uses to retain information. Again, I stopped listening shortly afterwards, not because the subject matter wasn't itneresting but because I just wanted to watch the show without some loudmouth fanboy getting in the way!
 
I have a Derren Question. All those little head shakes and nods he does -- are they just tics or are they a crucial part of his techniques?
I noticed them for the first time last night. I asked on the other thread if he has early Parkinsons. I've watched him for years and never noticed this before, has he always done it?
 
Apparently he got someone to pick a book at random from a library and then a page, and then a paragraph, and then Derren read it word for word. The explanation was his prodigious memory and the academic tricks he uses to retain information. Again, I stopped listening shortly afterwards, not because the subject matter wasn't itneresting but because I just wanted to watch the show without some loudmouth fanboy getting in the way!

aah, that does sound familiar, I just wouldn't have called it a 'library trick'.

I must see if my old housemate Diane watches Derren, she used to work with her dad as a magicians assistant, be interesting to see how many of the tricks she would know.
 
Table Turning

Derren does a lot of hypnosis tricks, and this was one of them.

Wrong. The whole trick is the ideomotor effect, nothing more, no hypnosis required.* The bit where it comes up off the floor is just a standard magic trick.

*Well, you can argue that by being on a stage in front of a lot of people they are more open to suggestion due to the effective "peer pressure", but it's certainly not what would usually be referred to as hypnosis.




Remember that Derren has a fantastic memory (his library trick comes to mind). And then remember that 90% of that audience booked tickets with a credit card. And that it isn't difficult to get information about people once you have their name, address, credit card details and whatnot.

So he's memorised a certain proportion of the audience and a few relevant details about them, which he can then use. And that's the easy part, FFS! How he does the other stuff is even more incredible, cold reading, the fact that each audience gives similar responses, body language, giving hints, etc.

Yep, a combination of "hot" and "cold" reading. He is the best I've ever seen at it though :cool:

I have a Derren Question. All those little head shakes and nods he does -- are they just tics or are they a crucial part of his techniques?

Very much open to debate, I guess the only person that knows for sure is Derren himself.
 
Watched some of it.

So how did he do that one where he had his head covered and was gussing people's star-signs and all sorts of other stuff about them. :confused:

What was the finale, I was a bit pissed and went to bed. :)
 
My current manshape is a magician and he hates Derren with a passion and I watched Derren's magic show a few weeks ago with my man muttering and insulting Derren and also explaining how everything was done and how he could of done it so much better the entire way through. I had to hide my giggles as this was clearly a deep seated hatred requiring years of therapy and I, as a mere mortal was not willing to go there :)
 
My current manshape is a magician and he hates Derren with a passion and I watched Derren's magic show a few weeks ago with my man muttering and insulting Derren and also explaining how everything was done and how he could of done it so much better the entire way through. I had to hide my giggles as this was clearly a deep seated hatred requiring years of therapy and I, as a mere mortal was not willing to go there :)

Then how come he isn't famous then??

:rolleyes:@manshape
 
Most magicians I know or have spoken to -- no, scratch that -- all magicians that I know or have spoken to think that Derren Brown is fabulous. I am surprised that your fella has such a grudge.
 
Most magicians I know or have spoken to -- no, scratch that -- all magicians that I know or have spoken to think that Derren Brown is fabulous. I am surprised that your fella has such a grudge.

I think he is fucking brilliant and I was mega sceptical before I saw that show of his where he has subliminally planted the answers audiences members will give throughout the show. That, for me, was even more impressive than last night's one which finally won round mrs ken. Hopefully gonna go and see his next show now.

How many magician mates you got, anyway?
 
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