ViolentPanda
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Random said:
He doesn't know where I was in the heirarchy. Balders is slinging shit and hoping some of it sticks. It's his usual tactic whenever he's faced with difficult (or even easy) questions.
Democractic Socialism?
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He doesn't know where I was in the heirarchy. Balders is slinging shit and hoping some of it sticks. It's his usual tactic whenever he's faced with difficult (or even easy) questions.
ViolentPanda
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tbaldwin said:
A ho ho ho but no denial that you're a shit-slinger, I see.
ViolentPanda
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tbaldwin said:
It only totally stopped in 2004 balders. That's 10 whole years after I was medically retired from the Civil Service.
What did you do all the time it was happening? I'm betting you did fuck all except gob off about it, an beat your meat.
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I wouldn't mind if I thought that he gave more than a passing damn about female inmates giving birth while shackled, but I'm not convinced that his spiel isn't just another bullshit attempt at smearing people who disagree with him.
I mean, this is the same piece of work who described pigeon as "fascistic", for crying out loud.
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Zeppo said:
I am increasinlgy convinced that a policy of growing democracy in the work place should be at the forefront of socialist groups - workers taking democratic control of the businesses and managing them in a democractic, co-operative model.
Particpatory Democracy in all our instituitons is necessary. "Socialism" was a term first coined by co-operative philanthropist Robert Owen.
Socialist government should work and have policy to increase this, encourage take-overs, and hand back state industries to the workers - the Venzuelan case of co-managment (half state, half workers control), with a long term goal to give over these industries 100% to workers is the way to go - plus they push for full controlled worker co-ops where possible.
Co-op working empowers workers to take control and stand up and be counted - following this process of active democracy workers' councils can then come forward to represent the will of workers at the party political level.
The OP is correct IMO, but what is the policy for this to happen?
Workers co-ops on the one hand - Proportional Representation/Transparent GOvernment/and Worker COuncil Representation at Party Political Level on the other.
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Manifesting your dislike and jealousy of students eh balders?tbaldwin said:
Who'd have thought that tbaldwin, man of the people, could be such a petty little prick?
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I doubt you'd have passed the entrance exam, balders.tbaldwin said:
Yes it's a good book, and your attempt to insinuate an equivalence between my working for the Home Office and the cooperation of many of the German people with nazi policy is another fine example of your need to try and smear anyone who argues with you. It's the sort of thing you expect from an immature 12-yr old, not from someone who claims to be an adult.
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niksativa said:
Participatory democracy is never going to be "allowed" by the current political elites though. The only way for it to take root is by being built from the ground up in the workplace, in the wards etc, and showing by example that it's a far more beneficial and benign system for most people than what we have at the moment.
ViolentPanda said:I doubt you'd have passed the entrance exam, balders.
Yes it's a good book, and your attempt to insinuate an equivalence between my working for the Home Office and the cooperation of many of the German people with nazi policy is another fine example of your need to try and smear anyone who argues with you. It's the sort of thing you expect from an immature 12-yr old, not from someone who claims to be an adult.
When have i ever claimed to be an adult?
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tbaldwin said:
Now we're getting somewhere. This would explain why you come out with so much half-baked shite.
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tbaldwin said:
That'd have been the time you claimed to have been an anti-fascist all your adult life.
niksativa said:
I think that Socialism and Socialists have to show that they want more democracy not less.
The Left has been controlled by activists and leaders with an unhealthy contempt of Democracy and the views of the people they would claim or seek to represent.
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"Political elites". =tbaldwin said:
not just the party heirarchies, but the men in the "gentleman's clubs", the top flight of the civil service etc. The people who, in the current state of things, have the final say whether a policy gets acted on, or "filed away" somewhere dank.
Tell me, what are my views on the judiciary?
I think it not just a question of who rules but the structure of society in which they can operate their power. They do not have a free hand whether it is rule by snob or by mob.
There are lots of thing people would like to happen which wouldn't be possible or have conseqences that they would then suffer from.
There are lots of thing people would like to happen which wouldn't be possible or have conseqences that they would then suffer from.
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tbaldwin said:
Then you think wrong.
No that that is any surprise to me.
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The structure of society and the form in which political power manifests are linked, though.scawenb said:
We currently have a system that only allows "weak" democracy, so power elites, whether left, right or "third
way" are able to over-ride, set aside or otherwise ignore much of what is put before them that they don't approve of. It is dispiritingly easy, for example, for the mandarins of the various govt depts to manipulate policy into failing.Are you saying that "nothing should be done"?
Personally I believe that inertia only plays into the hands of the current powermongers.
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As Gramsci argued; it is the mass movement which is the protagonist for change, but he also saw the need for an organisation (a party) to enable the working class to win power. This will not happen spontaneously, as pure spontaneity cannot exist.
It is from such an organisation that will come worker intellectuals who will then be able to create new social formulations and found a new type of society - a new concept of democracy for humanity as a whole.
It is only working class leadership that can influence other groups away from the dominant ideology, so as to achieve the aim of a democratic and classless society.
It is from such an organisation that will come worker intellectuals who will then be able to create new social formulations and found a new type of society - a new concept of democracy for humanity as a whole.
It is only working class leadership that can influence other groups away from the dominant ideology, so as to achieve the aim of a democratic and classless society.
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