Fedayn
Well-Known Member
what makes you think so?
Army recruitment has always been higher in areas of high unemployment and has increased when unemployment increases.
Demo against Army 'homecoming' march in luton
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Army recruitment has always been higher in areas of high unemployment and has increased when unemployment increases.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/7935049.stm shows people trying to attack the demo
.. some of who are clearly chanting 'allah aqhba'
.. some of who are clearly chanting 'allah aqhba'
as what fedayn says .. sad but true .. was reading about this on cnn or msnbc in the states earlier but can't find it nowwhat makes you think so?
FridgeMagnet
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Where?
edit: oh yeah, at about 0:22, I see there are some people trying to have a go
yes of course there are legit reasons .. many! the war , the use of parades etc i suspect the reaction of the crowd to a quaker demo would be differrent
are these legit anti war though .. the jury is out .. it is unclear who they are .. they do not appear anti war but jihadi .. the slogans in english are neutral bu they are shouting islamitic sligans .. so i'm 60-40 they are jihadists for whom i have no time ..
jihadis have a base in Luton ..
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/in-luton-summit-is-treated-with-contempt-499484.html
and opponents in the muslim community
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2004/apr/26/religion.world
FridgeMagnet
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"legit anti-war"?
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
its not the allah akbar chanting i have a problem with (although i'm uncomfortable with ANY religion being mixed with politics on demos tbf), its the fact that one of them was holding a sign (in the clip i saw) saying soldiers go to hell ... and it looked pretty godhatesfagsy to me ...
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Just looked at it again. What a big big nothing of a story. Not a story. Nothing. half a dozen people shouting a bit and a bit of counter aggro. That's it.
The only reason to run it is the islamaphobe agenda. The establishment are totally desparate for ANYTHING to take attention away from capitalism's biggest screw-up in history. The fundieloons really aint up to much recently (perhaps MI5 and 6 have had budget restrictions) so this sort of thing will have to make do.
This has really pissed me off. I bet there are dozens of demos everyday that are bigger than this - a school closing down, some crappy development people dont like. Significance doesnt make the agenda. Deliberate politicised gerrymandering does.
The only reason to run it is the islamaphobe agenda. The establishment are totally desparate for ANYTHING to take attention away from capitalism's biggest screw-up in history. The fundieloons really aint up to much recently (perhaps MI5 and 6 have had budget restrictions) so this sort of thing will have to make do.
This has really pissed me off. I bet there are dozens of demos everyday that are bigger than this - a school closing down, some crappy development people dont like. Significance doesnt make the agenda. Deliberate politicised gerrymandering does.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
david dissadent
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Freedoms a bitch isn't it. 'Jihadis' protesting against soldiers, BNP being allowed to stand in elections. On one side angry young kids being whipped into a frenzy by by people telling them there is a war against Islam while on the other people being whipped into a frenzy by people telling them there is a war against white indigenous British.
You think those two groups might have more in common than meets the eye?
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
- The amount of disproportionate press attention they get. They serve a simple narrative for the profane to lap up.
- The degree of infiltration by secret services, along with agent provacateur potential.
ska invita
back on the other side
To be honest they were acting out exactly how i feel if i see any soldiers marching around - something particularly depressing about a parade
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Fair enough, but if you aint a muslim you'd not be front page news. It wouldnt suit the hate / distraction agenda.
tbh I've just rolled in pissed from the pub and I thought he was being sarcastic. Then again I know fuck about him................
.......*wipes away sweat in a moment of clarity*
Do I know fuck about anything?
editor
hiraethified
So you don't think that those people taking part in the rather audacious protest knew damn well that it would attract major publicity in the curent political climate?
That either makes the protesters staggeringly naive or rather PR-savvy and fully aware of the best way to get maximum publicity for their cause.
Which do you think it is, taffboy?
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
Kerry MCarthy MP reports that the BNP certainly know that something was expected to happpen and took full advantage of it.
Gingerman
Is a great bunch of lads.....
Similar sign/slogan in this 2007 picture from outside the danish embassy in london:
Looks like the British Police saved the Luton protesters from a bit of a kicking by all accounts.
On another forum i use a BNP bastard is using the story to try exactly that.
Pointless and very wrong protest by nutcases who are doing nothing but hurt anyone that even looks Muslim.
Daft bastards.
Radical Islam is really no different from the BNP.
Oh, except that where Radical Islamists would behead non-believers, the BNP would deport many of it's opponents.
Perhaps one is far worse than the other.
Abso-fucking-lutely.
yes that is a fair statement .. if someone supports one side of the war but pretends to be against war to attack the other side, then it is illegitimate and dishonets imho
by th way though 'anti war' is what the BBC put on them .. not what they may have called themselves
^^^^
and these people are not 'no bodies' .. from their swamp came those who bombed London
it did look a bit like that ..
Udo Erasmus
Well-Known Member
I think any decent person would have been glad to hear about this protest. I was overjoyed to see truth spoken on the news last night.
The military has ramped up its PR in the last year, these homecoming military parades are just about PR for the Afghan and Iraq War.
Why should people who have taken part in the occupation and invasion of other peoples countries be allowed to strut around our streets like heroes? Military parades should be faced down by anti-war protests that say we shouldn't rally around the troops, Iraq and Afghan are unjust wars of occupation and crimes, and the troops should get out.
my heart was gladdened to see those Muslims showing the way with their placards that identified the real heroes were the Iraqi and Afghan people and rightly lambasted the military as 'Butchers of Basra',it would have been great if there were also placards raising working class issues - the enemy of working class is not Iraqis or Afghans but our rulers/
My only reservation is tactical. Many soldiers I've met are deeply sceptical of the current spate of wars & you want to think how can you build an anti-war current within the armed forces and educate these soldiers about why they should turn their guns on the real enemies of the working class.
The military has ramped up its PR in the last year, these homecoming military parades are just about PR for the Afghan and Iraq War.
Why should people who have taken part in the occupation and invasion of other peoples countries be allowed to strut around our streets like heroes? Military parades should be faced down by anti-war protests that say we shouldn't rally around the troops, Iraq and Afghan are unjust wars of occupation and crimes, and the troops should get out.
my heart was gladdened to see those Muslims showing the way with their placards that identified the real heroes were the Iraqi and Afghan people and rightly lambasted the military as 'Butchers of Basra',it would have been great if there were also placards raising working class issues - the enemy of working class is not Iraqis or Afghans but our rulers/
My only reservation is tactical. Many soldiers I've met are deeply sceptical of the current spate of wars & you want to think how can you build an anti-war current within the armed forces and educate these soldiers about why they should turn their guns on the real enemies of the working class.
Udo Erasmus
Well-Known Member
What reactionary nonsense, the Iraqis and Afghan people have as much right to resist occupation and invasion as the French resistance, Warsaw ghetto rising or Italian partisans in the 1940s.
What I loved about this protest was the way that it cut through all the patriotic nationalist bullshit, it was just ashame that the broader anti-war movement hasn't shown such audacity.
Thought the demo was a bit counter productive myself.I'm stating the obvious but it would be better to go after the state who sent the troops to Afghanistan and Iraq in the first place.
This extremely tiny little incident is going to be blown out of all proportion and exploited by the tabloids to whip up even more islamophobia and bigotry.
This extremely tiny little incident is going to be blown out of all proportion and exploited by the tabloids to whip up even more islamophobia and bigotry.
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