Demands made for the release of Israeli soldier hostage
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Very trueTAE said:
I'm not claiming justification, am I. We were looking at defining collective punishment.
Perhaps the nutter who blew the bus ( I haven't looked at the link yet ) was after somebody in particular ? Zionists often slaughter Palestinians in the street and claim that they were after somebody in particular.
If it was a revenge killing of a personal nature, or a 'pre-emptive' murder, as the Zionists often stage, then perhaps it can't be called a collective punishment.
There's no fucking doubt about taking out bridges and the power supply to an entire country though, is there. Lol.
Moreover, regardless of it being right or wrong - it is also a completely counter-productive and dead-end tactic which will not make things better for Palestinians and plays right into the hands of those who want to attack them.CyberRose said:
A far better tactic for making life better for them would be to pursue peaceful means, to comply with international demands which would allow aid to resume, to start talking to the Israeli government and to take a route that would avoid seeing yet more innocent people die.
Moono - you are no friend to Palestine. Your tactics will keep it covered in blood.
Another schizophrenic Zionist propaganda victim with a message to the world's oppressed. Everybody listening ?
Teejay;
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Who said it is/was an opinion?rachamim18 said:
I am saying that the Israelis bomb the power station in Lebanon and call it "collective punishment", someone then said in response to that "I don’t think the Israelis call it that" and I said they do, I have a friend who visits the area often and tells me about it.
Where is the opinion there? It is a statement not an opinion
Don’t let your personal dogma eat your karma
Apologists and defenders of the indefensible seem to misread post in this manor a lot, why is that do you think?
You think you are one of the world's oppressed?moono said:
The message is to you.
I see you are incapable of addressing the point that your tactics mean Palestinians dying. Sad to see that you don't actually care and are more interested in macho posturing and ill-informed rants. There isn't much difference between you and any other petty-nationalist, neo-facist, wanna-be hard man ... except that you just sit at a computer talking the talk.
It matters little - you are persuaduing noone and you will fail miserably. You will not get what you want, you are a failure.
And with that, I am putting you on ignore as you have nothing worthwhile to say and I really don't want to hear any more of your drivel.
moono said:
That would explain you unremittingly talk stuff and nonsense.
moono said:
Well I was drunk but now I'm sober.
You were stupid and now you're ......
Don't know if this has beed noted. Kind of ironic......
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsA...UKOC_0_US-MIDEAST-GAZA-USA.xml&archived=False
Spandex: "Briiliant, bomb a power station and soem random bridges." Actually, it is not brillant. It is simply basic, concise military strategy. The three bridges bombed connect the southern and northern sectors of Gaza. With the sea cut off by blockade, and the eastern border totally covered, the only way off the Strip is down into Egypt.
If NCO Shalit is spirited into Egypt it becomes much less likely that his remains will ever be found. If he was even held in the northern sector, it is now next to impossible to bring him south. If already in the south then the taking out of the power station aids in this regard. It dampens communications.
TAE: "Both sides use terror." WRONG. Only one side purposely aims for children. Only one side publishes its manifesto calling for the complete extermination of the other side.
TomA: "Rescued child soldiers." Big difference Tom. Most "child soldiers" are inducted via very brutal methods after seeing their loved obnes raped, mutilated, and killed. "Palestinian" youth are innundated almost from birth with images and concepts of hate. They CHOSSE to join these groups.
I do see them as victims but I also see them as very dangerous individuals, regardless of age. I have had guns pointed at me by youth as young as 9.
CyberRose: Israel has done several mass releases of militants oiver the years. Every single timke it was a case of catch and release. They would go right back to their muderous activities.
BarkingMad: "Bombing a power station is a war crime." WRONG! It certainly is not. the formula is: end justifies means. In this case it is easily interpreted in Israel's favor.
"Israel has kidnapped members of a democractically elected government." That it was elected is a non-issue. HAMAS , under both International AND PA Law is an illegal entity.
If NCO Shalit is spirited into Egypt it becomes much less likely that his remains will ever be found. If he was even held in the northern sector, it is now next to impossible to bring him south. If already in the south then the taking out of the power station aids in this regard. It dampens communications.
TAE: "Both sides use terror." WRONG. Only one side purposely aims for children. Only one side publishes its manifesto calling for the complete extermination of the other side.
TomA: "Rescued child soldiers." Big difference Tom. Most "child soldiers" are inducted via very brutal methods after seeing their loved obnes raped, mutilated, and killed. "Palestinian" youth are innundated almost from birth with images and concepts of hate. They CHOSSE to join these groups.
I do see them as victims but I also see them as very dangerous individuals, regardless of age. I have had guns pointed at me by youth as young as 9.
CyberRose: Israel has done several mass releases of militants oiver the years. Every single timke it was a case of catch and release. They would go right back to their muderous activities.
BarkingMad: "Bombing a power station is a war crime." WRONG! It certainly is not. the formula is: end justifies means. In this case it is easily interpreted in Israel's favor.
"Israel has kidnapped members of a democractically elected government." That it was elected is a non-issue. HAMAS , under both International AND PA Law is an illegal entity.
Moono: "Proof Rachamim?" Are you denying the onslaught of Qassams day in, day out since the very first day Israel pulled out of Gaza? Other than that clear violation, as I have illustrated to you on 3 prior occasions, HAMAS waited all of 3 days before launching yet another suicide bombing against Israel. There has never been any so called "cease fire."
"Nobody would miss Zionism if it disappeared overnight." nonsense. Ziopnism has existed as long as Jews have lived outside of their traditional homeland [Israel]. Modern Zionism is but one variant of an ancient ideology and it will continue come what may.
"Nobody would miss Zionism if it disappeared overnight." nonsense. Ziopnism has existed as long as Jews have lived outside of their traditional homeland [Israel]. Modern Zionism is but one variant of an ancient ideology and it will continue come what may.
TeeJay said:
… "it's utterly hypocritical for Israelis to wonder aloud why Palestinians don't pursue a non-violent strategy. One obvious reason is that, whenever they have, Israel brutally represses it."
http://www.corkpsc.org/db.php?qid=13
I seem to remember rach18 bitching about the UK media bias in favour of Palestine. I offer just an exerpt from this article as yet more proof that this is not the case.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13791.htm
The reality of Gaza - in pictures.
http://rafah.virtualactivism.net/news/todaymain.htm
http://rafah.virtualactivism.net/news/todaymain.htm
Bad all right. Who profits from this? Small percentage on each side who really like the war. The rocket shooters new this would be the result & probably wanted this result. Keeps them in a high prestiege position. The Israelis wanted a reason/excuse to wipe out large parts of Hamas & others. Everybody wins.ZAMB said:
TomUS said:
You must be a very cynical person to say 'everybody wins' here. What about the ordinary Palestinian people - whose only crime was to vote in a democratic election for a party that isn't approved of by Israel and the US. They are the ones who have to endure the ongoing brutal 'collective punishment' meted out by Israel - how exactly do they 'win' in this scenario?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
ZAMB said:
Aye, he claimed that the BBC and The Guardian were "anti-Israeli". When I pressed him on this he kept replying by saying "I'll send you a pm" or "OFF TOPIC". When he actually sent me a pm, it contained links to stories from the National Review and FrontPage magazine; neither organ are in a position to shout "bias", since both are in the business of producing disinformation on a regular basis...which is a little like trying to obtain evidence of Pravda's bias from the pages of Der Stürmer. The National Review published a story written by Mirielle Sircoff which claimed that "millions of Jews" were fleeing France. Needless to say the story was a fake but that didn't stop JC2 from claiming it was real. The National Review had to retract the story.
This is the sort of thing that we're dealing with here in P&P: disinformation is being used to advance the agendas of the neo cons, the Zionists and the gun nuts
Here's a snippet from Frontpage
And who is Natan (aka Anatoly) Sharansky?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natan_Sharansky
Moono: "Not in 'Palestine'." You are dreaming. It is there now and not going anywhere in the forseeable future.
ZAMB: Israel has never "brutally repressed 'Palestinians' using 'non-violent' tactics." You deign to use a lecture by Finkelstein [seen as a joke in Israel] talking about Bertrand Russell to shore up your argument?!? You have to do much better than that please. You just don't have a case!
Oh, and ZAMB? It is not "Rach18's idea" about the bias at the BBC. Jewish groups in the UK have been hot about it for at least 30 years. You produce one piece in another vein, I [and others] can produce 20 in the opposite vein, so what?
Oh, and for the "ordinary 'Palestinians' who voted for a aprty not approved by America or Israel...." The party is illegal not only by INTERNATIONAL LAW, but PA LAW as well. They knew what HAMAS represented. The group and its ideology are not new.
ZAMB: Israel has never "brutally repressed 'Palestinians' using 'non-violent' tactics." You deign to use a lecture by Finkelstein [seen as a joke in Israel] talking about Bertrand Russell to shore up your argument?!? You have to do much better than that please. You just don't have a case!
Oh, and ZAMB? It is not "Rach18's idea" about the bias at the BBC. Jewish groups in the UK have been hot about it for at least 30 years. You produce one piece in another vein, I [and others] can produce 20 in the opposite vein, so what?
Oh, and for the "ordinary 'Palestinians' who voted for a aprty not approved by America or Israel...." The party is illegal not only by INTERNATIONAL LAW, but PA LAW as well. They knew what HAMAS represented. The group and its ideology are not new.
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