Deluded pupils.

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Went out with a few lads on Easter Sunday and one was a mate of a mate from work and was a United fan, I let him have his gloats etc, admitted that Masch had it coming etc, but then he started going on about Liverpool fans being murderers and all this other shit.

By that point I just started ignoring him. Particularly as five minutes earlier he asked what the 'ninetysix' wristband on my wrist stood for.

He sounds like a dick. I can't see what that has to do with anything though, every team has some fans who are twats.

 

[Red Faction]

dont see how manutd and liverpool fans are deluded
one are prem champions more often than not

and one are CL champions more often than not

newcastle i think, are looking at staying up- thats not deluded

spurs are nobheads. end of.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

and one are CL champions more often than not

If any Liverpool fans think that then they win easily.

 

[cybershot]

He sounds like a dick. I can't see what that has to do with anything though, every team has some fans who are twats.

Exactly, You just talk about the football. As a Liverpool fan I think Masch deserved his sending off. Just thought I would actually state that, as no doubt this thread was started because of the animated gif i posted in the liverpool thread, as I haven't really been arsed to discuss it in there due to all the Manc flamers!

 

[editor]

You certainly don't get to meet many non-Welsh/non-Cardiffian Cardiff City fans.

But then they've rarely had the alluring glamour and the glory of the big name football club$.

 

[Biffo]

Man Utd because Revol is a prick.

 

[TrippyLondoner]

newcastle i think, are looking at staying up- thats not deluded
.

Think everyones just jealous of the media/people within football calling us a big club. They don't realize its not just the fans who say its a big club..

 

[revol68]

He sounds like a dick. I can't see what that has to do with anything though, every team has some fans who are twats.

this is of course true but not every team has fans who were actively responsible for killing 39 other fans and getting English teams banned from Europe. Yes, it was something that was bound to happen considering the behaviour of many team's fans at the time but the facts are that it was Liverpool fans that did it.

What is more galling is how some Liverpool fans treat mentioning of it as being on the same level as Hillsborough as if Heysel was their tragedy.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

this is of course true but not every team has fans who were actively responsible for killing 39 other fans and getting English teams banned from Europe. Yes, it was something that was bound to happen considering the behaviour of many team's fans at the time but the facts are that it was Liverpool fans that did it.

What is more galling is how some Liverpool fans treat mentioning of it as being on the same level as Hillsborough as if Heysel was their tragedy.

None of which makes anyone using it to have a go at a non-responsible Liverpool fan in a pub (or to score points on the internet) any less of a tosser.

 

[cybershot]

this is of course true but not every team has fans who were actively responsible for killing 39 other fans and getting English teams banned from Europe. Yes, it was something that was bound to happen considering the behaviour of many team's fans at the time but the facts are that it was Liverpool fans that did it.

What is more galling is how some Liverpool fans treat mentioning of it as being on the same level as Hillsborough as if Heysel was their tragedy.

Yes, it was my own personal fault. I hold my hand up.

 

[revol68]

None of which makes anyone using it to have a go at a non-responsible Liverpool fan in a pub (or to score points on the internet) any less of a tosser.

Except that's bullshit, 99.9% of football fans aren't responsible in anyway for the things they boast and bicker about, it's not like the individual football fan has anything to do with whether their team wins this or that or their stirker scores, the fact is that it's a pantominesque collectivism, you support a team and take the shit that comes with it.

As it is I really doubt the guy was seriously holding him responsible for deaths at Heysel.

 

[revol68]

Yes, it was my own personal fault. I hold my hand up.

oh don't be fucking daft.

 

[aylee]

As far as I'm concerned, there's no excuse for not supporting your local* decent sized club first, regardless of the nationalities making up big-name uber-club$ playing hundreds of miles away.

(*local to where you were born or brought up)

That's easy if you come from a sizable town with a local team, but not so straightforward if you don't have an obvious local team or aren't brought up with football, despite being fanatical about it.

Both of those apply to me .... my early years were spent in Bletchley near Milton Keynes (fucking awful place and I certainly couldn't have supported Milton Keynes City, who famously finished one season with a record of 0-2-40) and my Dad refused to take me to any games. Hence I ended up going to Villa games with my mate and his Dad who was a Brummie and have been a fan ever since, even though Coventry is the closest I've lived to Birmingham.

 

[aylee]

Oh, and it really is time to stop going on about Heysel as if every RedScouse was responsible, isn't it?

 

[revol68]

Oh, and it really is time to stop going on about Heysel as if every RedScouse was responsible, isn't it?

to be honest it rarely gets mentioned.

and since when has it been claimed every liverpool fan is responsible?

what does gall is that some Liverpool fans look to blame everything but their fellow fans.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

As far as I'm concerned, there's no excuse for not supporting your local* decent sized club first, regardless of the nationalities making up big-name uber-club$ playing hundreds of miles away.

(*local to where you were born or brought up)

I'm actually an inglory hunter as Arsenal are the more typically-supported team where I'm from (Clapton) but I chose West Ham cos I fancied up and down randomness more than robotic old arsenal.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

Anyway revol, this thread is a ripoff of this

 

[revol68]

that thread is old and secondly this isn't about clubs simply being 'massive' but about general deluded jaberings.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

Oh right.

I do think there's a fair amount of deludedness about Chelsea. Prior to Ken Bates's takeover of the club they had never been anything more than a middling club much like us. Now they seem to think they are a historically established member of the 'big 4', which IMO is seriously revisionist.

 

[Limejuice]

Newcastle are finally winning something.

Go us!!!!

Yay!!!

Oh, wait ...

 

[Termite Man]

I voted Man Utd because even though Liverpool fans are deluded about being anywhere near the quality of the top 3 Utd fans have a general delusion that if they weren't as good as they are football would suddenly become crap and worthless without them !

 

[mattie]

As far as I'm concerned, there's no excuse for not supporting your local* decent sized club first, regardless of the nationalities making up big-name uber-club$ playing hundreds of miles away.

(*local to where you were born or brought up)

I'd agree, with the caveat that your old man always has an influence on the club you support - in the new town I was brought up in, most kids supported whoever their dad supported.

I was born closer to Spurs than West Ham, but my dad saved my soul and took me to Upton Park.

 

[chooch]

Least deluded fans: Cadiz CF

Sample chants:
"We're shit. You're shit. We're all shit. Let's drink."
"Alcohol alcohol alcohol, we came here to drink and the result doesn't matter"
"Going down. Going down. We'll cheer anyway."

 

[kained&able]

Wolves: They still think they are a big club for some reason. Your OLD not big. Silly.

Spurs: Championsleague your having a laugh. They constantly think they should be a lot higher then they are and that jermaine jenas is a good player.

Newcastle: next year they will win a cup, honest.

West ham: We always have at least 5 players who should be in the england squad at all times.

Liverpool: You are not that one player away from winning the prem. Your an entriely new defence away from winning the prem and a partner for torres at the very least.


dave

 

[Juice Terry]

Theres a crap plastic town in the midlands that moaned and moaned about being the biggest place in the country not to have a first division club, then rather than supporting the club they already had thought it was perfectly acceptable to steal another towns club together with over a hundred years of history and started calling it their own.

Deluded? MK "fucking" Dons, absolutely no contest.

<thread closed>

 

[bluestreak]

Man Utd fans: football existed before you, it will exist after you, and no-one will give a shit if you go.

Chelsea fans: no-one else had heard of you before you became a billionaire's plaything.

Arsenal fans: you're part of the disease, not the cure.

Liverpool fans: you're not a family club, your fans aren't the greatest in the world, they're not even the best in Liverpool.

Spurs fans: where do I begin? You haven't been anything more than a pissy also-ran for two generations. People do not loathe your success and are not jealous of you. You do not battle anti-jewish racism by attacking "Pakis" chanting Yid Army Yid Army. You are not unfairly treated by the FA. No-one except you cares that Sol Campbell is gay. No-one except you cares about Sol Campbell at all. And homophobic chanting is not acceptable banter. Especially not for a bunch of people who are constantly complaining about racist chants aimed at them. Oh, and Arsenal fans don't care about you anymore. Chelsea are their London rivals now. You're no better than we are!

Newcastle fans: You're just as shit historically as you are now. Alan Shearer is a cunt. Kevin Keegan is a pillock. Paul Gascoigne is a wife-beating twat.

West Ham fans: We're a selling club. We've always been a selling club. There were other team's players in the England team in 1966. *sobs*

yeah, Spuds have it.

 

[CyberRose]

We're gonna make the playoffs and Billy Sharp is gonna finish top goal scorer!

(That should push a few more votes for "other"!)

 

[bigbry]

I think it's a no-brainer - by the size of the support, shirts sold, where they think they should be in the league, etc. it's got to be Newcastle. IMO no other club comes anywhere close to this.

At least Liverpool and Spurs have won something in most fans living memory - the last time Newcastle won anything was before Neil Armstrong set foot on the moon.

 

[Onket]

So you are either a liar, a goldfish or perhaps a moron who hadn't thought through their initial post and now looks like a twat.

Yeah, good one. Apply this to yourself.

 

[CyberRose]

Manchester United. Because they think it is acceptable to have no links whatsoever with the city, but support the club.

Well I was in a pub in Salford to watch the match on Sunday so altho for a lot of Man Utd's fans what you say above may be true, as it is for every single big club in the world, I don't think it's necessarily true for their core (traditional) support...