Debate and action

[The Black Hand]

Could you try the second after doing the first?

He has been banging his head against that wall for too long

 

[voiceofreason]

Almost all actions are worthwhile, when the cause is good. It's better to be part of a half assed badly organised protest than to be sat somewhere in front of a keyboard. Mass movements are built by people individually deciding to get stuck in, making new friendships, and learning from their mistakes. Everyone reading this thread should be an activist. Even if it's only in a small way - life is busy, and not everyone can give the same level of commitment.

 

[The Black Hand]

Almost all actions are worthwhile, when the cause is good. It's better to be part of a half assed badly organised protest than to be sat somewhere in front of a keyboard. Mass movements are built by people individually deciding to get stuck in, making new friendships, and learning from their mistakes. Everyone reading this thread should be an activist. Even if it's only in a small way - life is busy, and not everyone can give the same level of commitment.

I like your efforts...

 

[In Bloom]

I'm baaaack

Almost all actions are worthwhile, when the cause is good. It's better to be part of a half assed badly organised protest than to be sat somewhere in front of a keyboard.

No it isn't.

Unless you care more about cultivating your "super activist" image for entirely egotistical purposes. Which I suppose is fair enough if that's what you get off on, everybody needs their hobbies.

Mass movements are built by people individually deciding to get stuck in, making new friendships, and learning from their mistakes.

What a load of simplistic, voluntarist toss.

While its true that mass movements tend to grow out of small groups struggling around the same issue coming together and then gaining momentum due to the struggle in question having a particularly strong resonance with the mass of working class people, which requires individual effort to get such groups going, it doesn't follow from this that if we all just pitch in on whatever activist wank is fashionable this week, we'll suddenly have a mass movement on our hands.

And it's somewhat hard to learn from your mistakes if you throw a tantrum every time somebody disagrees with you, which is what some people on these boards seem to enjoy doing.

 

[The Black Hand]

You have just proved what I said...

You organised yourselves to go on a demo some other people organised - that doesn't count. Neither does organising a conference or gig - that is not protest/resistance etc. Being involved in a social centre/squat doesn't either. Now, I have seen you organising a 'solidarity protest' - better labelled a solidarity picket, they don't count.

You do not organise protests/resistance/manifestations to real live issues. Only those at a nice safe distance, that involve no thought or imagination on your own part, eg. solidarity pickit. You are parisitical on the back of real struggles that have been created by others and you don't initiate things yourselves.

And you said it all - yourself - here;

"The actions the AF has criticised are actions that we would never take part in as a group."

OMG yet more 'do nothing' simplistic toss/irrelavance that avoids the class struggle from the AF, when will they do something political in the 'real world' is the question?;

"Starting off a series of meetings on anarchist theory, London group of the Anarchist Federation is holding a public meeting on What Is Anarchism at 7pm on Thursday February 8th at Marchmont Community Centre, Marchmont Street, London WC1. There will be time for discussion and questions. Refreshments will be provided. Free entry. Disabled accesss. Nearest tube Russell Square"

AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh


'Whoosh' - what was that? That was the class struggle passing the AF by....

 

[The Black Hand]

Whoosh again...