Death to middle-class society, and long live anarchism

[max_freakout]

i post here - won't happen to me

but... that would be a shit anarchism. better than liberalism, but still shit.

you say things as if anarchy and poverty are somehow either/or, mutually exclusive


i want to know what is the justification for this

 

[meme1908]

just a good anarchism, and poverty.

how do i know this? i just do.

 

[max_freakout]

just a good anarchism, and poverty.

how do i know this? i just do.

there are good and bad anarchisms?

 

[meme1908]

well it's not totally homogenous.

if you mean what reasons do i have for believing that anarchist-communism necessarily excludes poverty.. i dunno some anarchists may seem to skirt around the idea of material equality, but oh i don't have a quote to hand.

 

[max_freakout]

well it's not totally homogenous.

if you mean what reasons do i have for believing that anarchist-communism necessarily excludes poverty.. i dunno some anarchists may seem to skirt around the idea of material equality, but oh i don't have a quote to hand.

anarchist-communism is a silly meaningless contradiction, a total misunderstanding of 'anarchy'

 

[butchersapron]

Nice one Dr max.

 

[butchersapron]

anarchist-communism is a silly meaningless contradiction, a total misunderstanding of 'anarchy'

Expand on this please.

 

[max_freakout]

Expand on this please.

it's like saying 'anarchist fascism', it has no meaning


if i advise you not to drive, i am not advocating that you adopt a certain style of driving am i?

 

[meme1908]

anarchist-communism is a silly meaningless contradiction, a total misunderstanding of 'anarchy'

just accept that you each mean different things by 'anarchy'. the communists can keep 'anarchy' cos they invented it [iirc], and the others can call is "snazzakey". as in snazzy.

everyone wins.

 

[butchersapron]

That's not, in any way, an expansion.

I'm esp keen to hear your true 'understanding of 'anarchy'.

 

[max_freakout]

I'm esp keen to hear your true 'understanding of 'anarchy'.

nobody is in control

 

[meme1908]

i don't need the circled a, it's a bit like a fascist symbol the power it has.

 

[butchersapron]

nobody is in control

Wow - i knew it'd be bad but...

 

[meme1908]

when you take your hands off the wheel, is it anarchy?

 

[max_freakout]

just accept that you each mean different things by 'anarchy'. the communists can keep 'anarchy' cos they invented it [iirc], and the others can call is "snazzakey". as in snazzy.

everyone wins.

did the communists invent anarchy? they most certainly didnt!

Anarchy does not require a creator

 

[meme1908]

notice i meant the term. a term requires a creator.

 

[max_freakout]

when you take your hands off the wheel, is it anarchy?

when you give up the idea that you ever had your hands on the wheel

 

[max_freakout]

notice i meant the term. a term requires a creator.

fair enough, but did communists really invent the term 'anarchy'?

 

[meme1908]

that sounds unpleasant.

plenty of time to be stupid when we're dead.

 

[butchersapron]

Max - what is anarchism?

What is it's relation to communism?

 

[meme1908]

who did? is a child who babbles "antidisetablishmentarianism" talking about tories? no.

 

[max_freakout]

Max - what is anarchism?

What is it's relation to communism?

whatever i say, you will return with some silly, self-masturbating comment


so why dont you tell me what you think it is, then i will reply

 

[meme1908]

why do you care what word you use to describe freedom??

 

[max_freakout]

why do you care what word you use to describe freedom??

freedom is fine for me

 

[meme1908]

it means, from the latin "without a ruler". i don't see what that has to do with crashing cars. you don't "rule" a piece of technology. not normally anyway

 

[meme1908]

so yeah.

who's going to make me choose between anarchy and my poverty

 

[butchersapron]

whatever i say, you will return with some silly, self-masturbating comment


so why dont you tell me what you think it is, then i will reply

Max, you made a pretty definitive number of claims about anarchism and it's relation to communism - and 'anarchy' above. I'm asklng you to justify those claims. You either can or you can't. Which is it?

Anarchism is the belief and the associated body of thought that society can be organised along non-hierachical lines under certain conditions and that this necessarily entails an anti-state and pro-equality communist approach.

 

[max_freakout]

there's a big difference between anarchy and anarchism

 

[butchersapron]

Well, for gods sake man - explain yourself. Define the two and the difference between. Use your brain for the collective good.

 

[max_freakout]

i think what most people mean when they use the term 'anarchism', is in fact a category-error


but im not sure.....