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Death of Harry Dunn

Bahnhof Strasse said:
Seems his parents met Trump in the White House yesterday, he was gracious and sympathetic and all that. But he had the killer driver in the next room, ready to bring her in to meet them, with a bunch of photographers ready to capture the moment. Harry Dunn’s parents told him to do one.
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What a piece of shit. I read about that. And he said the greased albino piglet (DeFeffel) suggested it.
 
Like a trashy fucking Jeremy Kyle stunt. I bet Trump thought he could get them to hug and make up and the matter could be considered resolved.

Johnson probably wants this glaring example of American Exceptionalism swept under the carpet as he pushes for an Atlantacist Brexit.
 
Trump is a vile specimen, he makes our own waster look like a great statesman.
Being a parent myself I have a lot of sympathy for the Dunns but they are on a hiding to nothing, Trump can't send her back no matter what he might think.
The woman is an American citizen with all the rights that entails. Even with diplomatic immunity removed it's up to the US courts whether she gets sent back. The UK will have to apply for extradition and an US judge will get to decide.
I don't think they will given she isn't accused of a crime but of being involved in a traffic accident.
 
There's no way of knowing yet if Bozo suggested that meeting. It was certainly a stupid enough stunt for that to be true. Though Trump may well be lying, obviously. Occam doesn't work here.
 
Trump's reaction to anything he does going tits up is to blame other people, I take his claim that Johnson suggested the meeting (and particularly in the kind of crass manner that Trump arranged) in that light.
 
This incoherent dribble belongs here (from Trump press conference with the visiting Italian President):

"And the meeting took place right here at about 6 o’clock last night, and it was very sad, to be honest. She lost, and they lost, their son. I believe it was going down the wrong way, because that happens in Europe. You go to Europe and the roads are opposite. And it’s very tough ... And I offered to bring the person in question in, and they weren’t ready for it. But I did offer .... I spoke with Boris. He asked me if I’d do that, and I did it. Unfortunately, they wanted to meet with her, and unfortunately when we had everybody together, they decided not to meet. Perhaps they had lawyers involved by that time."
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
She has immunity from prosecution in the UK.

She has no immunity from anything in the US. If it can be shown she killed the lad, she could be sued, in the US.
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As you said before, it's highly unlikely she'd have been imprisoned here. I actually don't think she should do time for the collision. She wasn't pissed, speeding, or otherwise being a twat. This is a horrible accident which she's clearly absolutely distraught about and I'm sure most people who've driven overseas have found themselves momentarily on the wrong side of the road at least once or twice. This is to take nothing away from the devastation that Harry's parents must be feeling, but what purpose would putting her in jail for this accident have served other than wrecking the lives of another family?

What she should be prosecuted for is runnning away and compounding the pain she's caused the Dunns whilst taking the piss out of the UK justice system.
 
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Spymaster said:
As you said before, it's highly unlikely she'd have been imprisoned here. I actually don't think she should do time for the collision. She wasn't pissed, speeding, or otherwise being a twat. This is a horrible accident which she's clearly absolutely distraught about and I'm sure most people who've driven overseas have found themselves momentarily on the wrong side of the road at least once or twice. This is to take nothing away from the devastation that Harry's parents must be feeling, but what purpose would putting her in jail for this accident have served?

What she should be prosecuted for is runnning away and compounding the pain she's caused the family whilst taking the piss out of the UK justice system.
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I have driven on the wrong side before when abroad and once in the UK having returned from being abroad. It happens, the result of her doing so has been devastating. The running away bit compounds the devastation, looks to Harry's parents that she doesn't give a toss. The 'closure' thing that Americans seem to keen on will now never happen. Harry's parents will never forgive her cowardice and I imagine she will have trouble looking herself in the mirror or her own kids in the eye for ever. A total mess that would have been prevented if some folk had stopped and applied a bit of humanity to a bad situation.
 
JuanTwoThree said:
There's no way of knowing yet if Bozo suggested that meeting. It was certainly a stupid enough stunt for that to be true. Though Trump may well be lying, obviously. Occam doesn't work here.
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kebabking said:
Trump's reaction to anything he does going tits up is to blame other people, I take his claim that Johnson suggested the meeting (and particularly in the kind of crass manner that Trump arranged) in that light.
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#10 has stated that Johnson asked Trump to assist with the situation. That sounds plausible.

Johnson asking for a 'Surprise-Surprise' moment doesn't really sound very credible.
 
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Bahnhof Strasse said:
#10 has stated that Johnson asked Trump to assist with the situation. That sounds plausible.

Johnson asking for a 'Surprise-Surprise' moment doesn't really sound very credible.
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Trump is a bag of shit who thinks EVERYTHING in the entire world (indeed even the universe) is entirely about him, he has no more empathy than a rattlesnake.
Johnson doesn't strike me as the most empathetic person either but he at least has some basic political nounce and can act sympathetic, Trump can't.
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
#10 has stated that Johnson asked Trump to assist with the situation. That sounds plausible.

Johnson asking for a 'Surprise-Surprise' moment doesn't really sound very credible.
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Trump's obviously talking bollocks:

The Prime Minister's spokesman said Mr Johnson was not aware of the US President's plans to arrange the meeting, despite the President claiming that Downing Street had asked him to do so.

'The PM and the President spoke last Wednesday and the PM asked the President to do all he could to resolve the issue,' the spokesman said.

'During the conversation, the President raised a possibility of a meeting with Anne Sacoolas at the White House but at that stage we weren't aware of any plans for the family to go (to the US) so it wasn't discussed further.'

Mr Trump also made the incendiary claim that Harry's parents had wanted to meet Mrs Sacoolas - but changed their minds when they arrived.
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Spymaster said:
What she should be prosecuted for is runnning away and compounding the pain she's caused the Dunns whilst taking the piss out of the UK justice system.
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I doubt she had any choice about running away. RAF Croughton is, well, what you might suspect it is. "Diplomat"
 
agricola said:

:eek:
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Almost certainly it was FCO seeing what they could do to rescue a situation that was spiralling out of control - far better to be able to say 'shes left the country, but she's agreed to return', than 'she's left the country, and we have no idea if we're going to be able to get her back...'.

If - as presumably you think - FCO considered the matter closed and tough shit, why do you think they'd ask NP to delay telling the family?

What good would it do FCO?
 
kebabking said:
Almost certainly it was FCO seeing what they could do to rescue a situation that was spiralling out of control - far better to be able to say 'shes left the country, but she's agreed to return', than 'she's left the country, and we have no idea if we're going to be able to get her back...'.

If - as presumably you think - FCO considered the matter closed and tough shit, why do you think they'd ask NP to delay telling the family?

What good would it do FCO?
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Those are all good points, though I'd point out that Raab raised none of them and instead spent most of the time ascribing the blame for the delay on to the Police and on one of the FCO's officers who the Police had asked for advice. It is also kind of odd that he has even mentioned the delay because, at least based on a quick look at the reporting on this, noone has raised the delay in the Dunn family being notified that Sacoolas had left the country as being an issue.

There is also the implication in what he said in that clip that the FCO didn't know about Sacoolas leaving (or possibly even Sacoolas' involvement) until the police asked them for advice about it (and that therefore a delay for a day or two had to happen for ministers to be briefed and to decide what they were going to do) which is kind of hard to believe given that there was three weeks between the collision and her leaving.
 
I can't imagine the process that led to the foreign office deciding to seek costs against a grieving family denied justice in an emotive case rather than just opposing the legal action and sucking up the costs, what with the deep fucking pockets the state has. Mental.
 
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