Death of Harry Dunn

[friedaweed]

Scum

 

[Poi E]

American exceptionalism as ever. More equal than others. There’s been issues elsewhere with squaddies facing rape allegations in places like Korea being protected by their own state. See also refusal to acknowledge the ICC, never owning up to friendly fire/‘collateral damage’ and so on.

If this is how a friendly nation is treated when seeking justice, imagine how hard it is to get justice if you were an Iraqi or Afghan. Cunts.

Still, that trade deal should be a breeze with this special relationship.

 

[BoatieBird]

It's being reported that CCTV footage shows her leaving the base and driving on the wrong side of the road.
I really hope she does the decent thing and comes back to the UK to face justice.

 

[Poi E]

Leave her kids and go to jail?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Leave her kids and go to jail?

Thing is, even is prosecuted in the UK it would go as careless driving and she’d most likely get a suspended sentence.

However you have to wonder what kind of lesson she is teaching her kids by running away like she has.

 

[2hats]

However you have to wonder what kind of lesson she is teaching her kids by running away like she has.

That the spouse's of spies are also licensed to kill?

 

[2hats]

Washington Post staff photographer:

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

In which case Harry Dunn's parents should sue the living fuck out of the cunt.

 

[ruffneck23]

In which case Harry Dunn's parents should sue the living fuck out of the cunt.

crowdfunder anyone ?

 

[Pickman's model]

Washington Post staff photographer:

shouldn't trump be hauled in front of some tribunal for revealing secret information?

 

[not-bono-ever]

Can’t be arsed to google but there is as an incident in Pakistan a couple of years back where a US employee killed people whilst driving leathered - the septics paid out millions in compo. Though Pakistan is probably an ally worth paying off for the US - the U.K. less so

 

[Wilf]

In which case Harry Dunn's parents should sue the living fuck out of the cunt.

Suppose the problem would be who to sue. The driver has been granted immunity, so that looks like a no go. Would they have to go for the US Military/spook bosses for the decision to grant that immunity? Though this looks more hopeful:

Can’t be arsed to google but there is as an incident in Pakistan a couple of years back where a US employee killed people whilst driving leathered - the septics paid out millions in compo. Though Pakistan is probably an ally worth paying off for the US - the U.K. less so

 

[Dogsauce]

Can see them paying off the parents to try and hush things down a bit.

Not sure how much they’d welcome a nice protest outside the gates of the base, letting them know we expect a bit of respect from our guests.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Suppose the problem would be who to sue. The driver has been granted immunity, so that looks like a no go. Would they have to go for the US Military/spook bosses for the decision to grant that immunity? Though this looks more hopeful:

She has immunity from prosecution in the UK.

She has no immunity from anything in the US. If it can be shown she killed the lad, she could be sued, in the US.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Can’t be arsed to google but there is as an incident in Pakistan a couple of years back where a US employee killed people whilst driving leathered - the septics paid out millions in compo. Though Pakistan is probably an ally worth paying off for the US - the U.K. less so

Did they not pay to get him out of custody/the country though? Or am I mis-remembering that?

 

[Wilf]

She has immunity from prosecution in the UK.

She has no immunity from anything in the US. If it can be shown she killed the lad, she could be sued, in the US.

But aren't there severe limits on what Americans can be prosecuted for in (their) courts for acts committed abroad? Have a feeling I've read that somewhere.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

But aren't there severe limits on what Americans can be prosecuted for in (their) courts for acts committed abroad? Have a feeling I've read that somewhere.

IANAL, but I think there is a difference between prosecuting a crime and suing someone.

 

[Poi E]

But aren't there severe limits on what Americans can be prosecuted for in (their) courts for acts committed abroad? Have a feeling I've read that somewhere.

Not sure, about that but grabbing extraterritorial jurisdiction is not uncommon. See the Alien Tort Statute as an example that has benefitted non-US citizens.

 

[Wilf]

Anyway, it certainly looks like suing is just about the only option. And what so sickening is that if that plays out it still traps the family into a process, taking forever to get to the point where they can just grieve.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Did they not pay to get him out of custody/the country though? Or am I mis-remembering that?

Ah yes, he was in the nick and was released after blood money paid. And he wasn’t pissed just shooty wit the locals

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Anyway, it certainly looks like suing is just about the only option. And what so sickening is that if that plays out it still traps the family into a process, taking forever to get to the point where they can just grieve.

Yeah, from what they've said they'd settle for an apology from the woman over a cup of tea.

 

[butchersapron]

Lot of British people with diplomatic immunity in the US who can drive. Just a thought.

 

[Poi E]

They're probably on the right.

 

[equationgirl]

BBC reports her being 'devastated' by Harry's death, but a) obviously not as devastated as his parents or b) not so devastated that she will hand herself over to British authorities. She just wants to apologise to his parents.

I'm sure an apology is in order but as well as, not instead of, justice for what she did.

Teen's death 'devastated' US diplomat's wife

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

BBC reports her being 'devastated' by Harry's death, but a) obviously not as devastated as his parents or b) not so devastated that she will hand herself over to British authorities. She just wants to apologise to his parents.

I'm sure an apology is in order but as well as, not instead of, justice for what she did.

Teen's death 'devastated' US diplomat's wife

Being turned in to a freak show. That incompetent fool Dominic Raab has come out and stated that she no longer has immunity cos she’s now in the US. Oddly enough Raab has never won Mastermind.

 

[equationgirl]

Being turned in to a freak show. That incompetent fool Dominic Raab has come out and stated that she no longer has immunity cos she’s now in the US. Oddly enough Raab has never won Mastermind.

Yeah, I think his argument was bullshit, although apparently the US has agreed the issue of immunity has become irrelevant...

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Yeah, I think his argument was bullshit, although apparently the US has agreed the issue of immunity has become irrelevant...

Of course, immunity only exists in the country a diplomat is posted to.

Shitty behaviour on her part, I really don’t think she would have been jailed in the UK, she would still have had her immunity had she stayed, but she’s just done a massive ‘fuck you’ to his mum and dad. Proper scummy behaviour.

 

[not-bono-ever]

she will not come back voluntarily, no chance. the US will not send her back as a matter of principle- they facilitated her quick evac anyway- she probably had no say in the matter.The US would expect anyone who shites on their patch to be done - see makharadze (though that has backstory) - but has no intention of returning the favour.

 

[Dogsauce]

Is it possible they hastily got her out because her bloke is a spook and there were potential security issues tied up in this somehow? Although in doing so they moved it from a local paper story to a national scandal which won’t have helped keep things quiet.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Seems his parents met Trump in the White House yesterday, he was gracious and sympathetic and all that. But he had the killer driver in the next room, ready to bring her in to meet them, with a bunch of photographers ready to capture the moment. Harry Dunn’s parents told him to do one.