Death following arrest: Sean Rigg

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  1. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Marcia Rigg interviewed on this on Radio 4 (23 minutes in)

    Regarding politicians - the MPs responsible are Chuka and Tessa.
    Personally I think Kate Hoey would have at least said something, had it been a Vauxhall issue.

    Local politicians: who would now be responsible? Was Hopkins (now Jobs & Growth). There is no defined portfolio apparently containing policing and community issues as far as I can see.
    A bit worrying really.
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  2. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    INQUEST suggesting he's going to be stopped from resigning.
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  3. MrSki

    MrSki Who am I to say you're wrong

    Resignation withdrawn by Met.
  4. shygirl

    shygirl Well-Known Member

    Fantastic result!
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  5. MrSki

    MrSki Who am I to say you're wrong

  6. DaveCinzano


    The family of a man who died in police custody have won their battle to stop an officer involved in the case resigning ahead of an official investigation.

    Sean Rigg's relatives were outraged when the Metropolitan police accepted the PC's resignation before a new inquiry by the Independent Police Complaints Commission could formally place him under investigation.

    Rigg, 40, died in 2008 after being restrained by police. The jury at his inquest condemned his treatment, saying the level of force was "unsuitable".

    Now the Met has reversed its decision, hours before the Rigg family were due to go to the high court to ask a judge to injunct the police to prevent the officer from resigning. The Met announced on Friday that the officer, PC Andrew Birks, had been suspended and the acceptance of his resignation rescinded.

    The decision to reverse the original decision, the Met said, was influenced by several factors including the imminent legal action by Rigg's family, and "the need for public confidence". The Met's climbdown came three hours before the Rigg family's attempt to gain an injunction was listed to be heard before a judge and the acceptance of his resignation came before the officer could be served with a formal notice that he was under investigation...
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  7. MrSki

    MrSki Who am I to say you're wrong

  8. Tolpuddle

    Tolpuddle Cooperative council-my arse.

  9. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Birks' challenge now being heard in high court

    Met refused request by Andrew Birks to retire because it would mean he would not face inquiry over 2008 death of Sean Rigg

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  10. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    According to the BBC Birks "is due to be ordained on 28 September."

    This seems to take the church back into 18th century world of Rev John Newton, who after working on a slave ship repented, becoming famous for writing the hymn "Amazing Grace"

    I would have expected the church to ask for a delay pending the outcome of the inquiries - not to rush ahead ordaining someone who might be found to have been criminally negligent or worse.

    But then I'm not a bishop.
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  11. SpamMisery

    SpamMisery Pretty comfortable here right under your skin

    A criminally negligent or worse copper is probably only a mid-ranking wrongdoer by the Church's standards (if that) :D
  12. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

  13. MrSki

    MrSki Who am I to say you're wrong

    High court has blocked Birks JR on his attempt to quit the Met to become a priest.

  14. MrSki

    MrSki Who am I to say you're wrong

    Inquest press release here.
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  15. DaveCinzano


    No charges against sergeant and constable for lies, due to “insufficient evidence”:

    ...insufficient evidence to prove that the answers given were not mistakes and there is insufficient evidence to show that the custody sergeant had an intention to pervert the course of justice. With regards to perjury at the inquest, 4 years after Mr Rigg’s death, we have concluded that there is insufficient evidence that any statement made by the custody sergeant at the inquest was not his genuine belief and was a falsehood made wilfully...

    ...insufficient evidence to demonstrate that the police constable intended to pervert the course of justice...

    ...insufficient evidence that the officers conspired together to commit any offence...
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  16. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    one law for them etc
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  17. el-ahrairah

    el-ahrairah forward communism, forward gerbils!

    protecting their own as usual.
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  18. Mr.Bishie

    Mr.Bishie Pickled Egg

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  19. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

  20. Winot

    Winot I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint

    CourtNewsUK is reporting Sergeant Paul White cleared.
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  21. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    No surprise there then :mad:
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  22. GarveyLives

    GarveyLives Well-Known Member

  23. GarveyLives

    GarveyLives Well-Known Member

  24. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    So its accurate to say the Police Sergeant made up a load of bollox to cover the police from any responsibility for Seans death.

    And that he got off on a technicality.

    One might conclude that this is not down to one officer lying ( a rotten apple in the barrel argument)but its that the police institutionally themselves who cover there arses.

    Sean was someone with mental health issues. His death should never have happened.

    Thanks for putting the link up. An informative read.

    The family have been pursuing this with no help from local politicians.

    Its been down to help from the legal profession. Like Doughty Chambers who do a lot of good work for people. Says something about politics in this country when its elements of the legal profession who stick up for the underdog.
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  25. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Former councillor Anna Tapsell should be given some credit. She was very diligent in presenting the facts in the context of policing and mental health in Lambeth. I was at this keeting for example, where Anna Tapsell's presentation was a valuable summary of the events leading up to Sean's death, and the many situational problems - in Sean's hostel as well as the critical policing issues.

    I am a great admirer of Anna Tapsell. Anna was a Labour councillor from 1986 until she was de-selected for radicalism in the early Blair years.
    AGENDA Sean Rigg Inquest Public Meeting 20120911-page-001.jpg
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  26. Brixton Hatter

    Brixton Hatter Home is south London mate

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  27. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I am sure her diligent presenting of the facts did not do her any favours with the Blairite mob.
  28. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    I would imagine she fell foul of them over stock transfers etc. Actually Cllr Davie - Thornton Ward - also took on board the dreadful chain of events leading to Sean Rigg's death, referring to the case in a MOPAC borough consultation meeting.

    The problem with all things to do with health and mental health is rationing of resources.
    1. Sean was in outsourced "supported accommodation" run along American lines. When he became distressed and potentially violent the staff didn't know what to do - locked the office and rang 999 (which wasn't answered).
    2. Sean was picked up stripped and apparently raving by a passing police van. They presumably thought he was drunk, or affected by drugs - mental health protection being their last consideration.

    Already your have several issues:
    1. Is a profit making American-style drug rehab hostel appropriate for someone with long-term schizophrenia?
    2. Why, when the Police were the last resort for staff unable to deal with a resident did they not come out at the request of the hostel?
    3. Have police been adequately trained when casually picking up distracted people of the street.
    4. Presumably max force is always a risk - to mentally ill people or people with zonked out on drink and/or drugs.

    We know all this - and what seems to be an issue is getting individuals who have contributed to a death to take responsibility.

    Plus the system is failing people with mental illness. I can remember a bitterly contested case of a patient over-dosed by psychiatrists in Tooting Bec hospital in the 1980s.

    Anna Tapsell did do a good job of documenting everything that went wrong in Sean Rigg's case. But her political crimes were more to do with resisting privatisation is council housing and council services.
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  29. GarveyLives

    GarveyLives Well-Known Member

  30. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    what time's it on?

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