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Death following arrest: Sean Rigg

el-ahrairah

forward communism, forward gerbils!
it was very good to see so many people. terrible circumstances but some old-fashioned brixton unity.
 

shygirl

Well-Known Member
PC Glasson, PC Forward, CI Bell all told porkies under oath but it's PC Paul White that gets the blame, presumably because he admitted it.

This is amusing for a number of reasons. I must try and meet officer White sometime.
If it's the PC Paul White I think it is, the police have been wanting him out for some time. Extra twattish, and a liability in terms of PR.

Good to see the photos and video of march. Was in Wales so couldn't be there, but great to see solidarity like that.
 

DaveCinzano

WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
My colleague complaining today that the Chief Inspector Matt Bell MBE has been talking on the stand about a protocol they had with SR's hostel for sharing information and care planning. She was somewhat surprised by this seeing as she has records that show that Lambeth nick had been ignoring requests for a meeting to put in place protocols of that sort for six years. Lying sod. She was able to collar him afterwards and ask him why he was fibbing, before being ignored for a week until (and i believe that she threatened to go to the media with the evidence) he has now booked a date for a meeting to put in place the joint protocols that her mentally ill clients need for their own protection and the protection of the community in Brixton. and all it took was one killing, four years, one perjury, and a threat.
Any news on this?
 

Gramsci

Well-Known Member
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19049173

I am informed that something called a section 24 notice was served by the coroner at the beginning of the inquest, meaning that the jury were unable to return a verdict of unlawful killing. this narrative verdict was about as harsh a response as was legally permissible, and should allow the family to file a civil lawsuit.
Just read this bbc report. The Coroners report say Sean was let down by Police, IPCC and the Hospital that was supposed to be looking after him. Quite staggering list of blunders, incompetence, poor training and callousness.

All goes to show that people with mental health problems do not get much support in reality.
 

el-ahrairah

forward communism, forward gerbils!
Any news on this?
As of the march he hadn't got back into contact. She spoke to him then to "remind him", and he was wriggling. It's pretty clear he has no intention of setting up the meeting or having any sort of protocol with Sean's former care home, no matter what he said in court.
 

Brixton Hatter

Home is south London mate
My colleague complaining today that the Chief Inspector Matt Bell MBE has been talking on the stand about a protocol they had with SR's hostel for sharing information and care planning. She was somewhat surprised by this seeing as she has records that show that Lambeth nick had been ignoring requests for a meeting to put in place protocols of that sort for six years. Lying sod. She was able to collar him afterwards and ask him why he was fibbing, before being ignored for a week until (and i believe that she threatened to go to the media with the evidence) he has now booked a date for a meeting to put in place the joint protocols that her mentally ill clients need for their own protection and the protection of the community in Brixton. and all it took was one killing, four years, one perjury, and a threat.

Jury likely to return today or tomorrow.
As of the march he hadn't got back into contact. She spoke to him then to "remind him", and he was wriggling. It's pretty clear he has no intention of setting up the meeting or having any sort of protocol with Sean's former care home, no matter what he said in court.
There is a Sean Rigg public meeting on Tuesday 11th September 6:30 pm at the Stockwell Resource Centre, 1 Studley Road SW9. The police will be there, so perhaps they could be asked this question...
 

CH1

"Red Guard"(NLYL)
There is a Sean Rigg public meeting on Tuesday 11th September 6:30 pm at the Stockwell Resource Centre, 1 Studley Road SW9. The police will be there, so perhaps they could be asked this question...
Just to remind people the meeting is at 6.30 Tuesday 11th September ...
I'm thinking of taking a bottle of Haloperidol tablets and inviting people to join in the Sean Rigg experience. Maybe after a few hours slumped in front of their TV set unable to focus on the screen they might understand why he skipped his injections.
To me this is the crux of the matter. It is all very well demanding to know why the SLAM staff failed to inject Sean Rigg regularly - but no-one who has had the experience of battling to get these mental health professionals to moderate their over-medication will understand things from Sean's point of view.
If your rights are effectively taken away because you are labelled as mad, how is it better having a life sentence of inappropriate medication than being locked in an asylum?
Anyone who has had to attend one of the SLAM "community bases" where patients attend for depot injections will observe how many patients are chronically over-weight and physically deformed by the treatment they are getting.
I never knew Sean, though someone I chat to outside the parade of shops in Coldharbour Lane did know him - as a fellow user of the Fanon Day Centre on Railton Road. "Nice guy - used to play the guitar at the day centre" he said.
When I was put on Haloperidol in 1997 I was lucky to get off it very quickly - but I was working, and as I was working at a disability charity dealing with "clients" with a similar diagnosis I was able to take repeat trips (from work) to ward rounds at S3 in the Maudsley to negotiate better medication for my own needs.
I imagine Sean would not have had any of that flexibility - being black, unemployed and automatically treated as Schizophrenic.
 

CH1

"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Last call - CPCGL meeting Stockwell Resource Centre 6.30 pm Tuesday 11th September
Personally I expect much wringing of hands - the Police Commander will doubtless be in full Pontius Pilate mode!
What a criminal and senseless waste of a life.
Sean-Rigg.jpg
 

CH1

"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Last call - CPCGL meeting Stockwell Resource Centre 6.30 pm Tuesday 11th September
Personally I expect much wringing of hands - the Police Commander will doubtless be in full Pontius Pilate mode!
What a criminal and senseless waste of a life.
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Gramsci

Well-Known Member
Cheers Butchers, well spotted. Interesting...so the fuckers are alleged to have lied in court and perverted the course of justice.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/mar/27/police-arrested-custody-sean-rigg

The IPCC said officers arrested police sergeant A, 50, at his place of work on suspicion of perjury and perverting the course of justice, police constable B, 29, at an address in south London on suspicion of perjury and perverting the course of justice, and retired police constable C, 48, by appointment at a central London police station on suspicion of perverting the course of justice.
An IPCC spokesman said: "Investigators have today arrested two serving and one retired Metropolitan police service officers in connection with the ongoing investigation into evidence given at the inquest into Sean Rigg's death.
"IPCC investigators have carried out searches at their home addresses and the serving officers' workplaces. Mr Rigg's family have been told about today's developments through their solicitors."
I wonder what IPCC think really happened?
I remember that one reason there was a problem with this case was that Sean died in the police station. Whatever happened was not recorded as the CCTV in that part of the station was not working.:rolleyes:
See this old Guardian article

Rigg's family demanded an audit of security cameras at the station. IPCC investigators then conceded there were more cameras overlooking the cage. But two weeks later, they said they had tried to obtain the tapes and found the recorders had not been working for three months.
Rigg's family suspect a cover-up. The IPCC's claim about CCTV contradicts repeated assurances given to the family by a senior police officer two days after Rigg died. Suzanne Wallace, a chief inspector who was in charge of the station, was caught on tape saying CCTV was working and recordings had been seized.
"I know that's been seized because on the night the officers from the DPS [Department of Professional Standards] were asking about the CCTV," she said. "And that was one of my questions: is the CCTV working, is it running, is there a tape in there? You know – very basic, but it's really, really important. And that was all to the affirmative.
So I wonder if these arrests are about the missing tapes from the CCTV?
 

ymu

Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Two perjuries, three perverting the course. So yeah, very plausible that it's to do with the conveniently absent CCTV.

Just like Hillsborough, Jean Charles de Menezes, Ian Tomlinson,... perhaps the IPCC have worked out what an MO is?
 

DaveCinzano

WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Two perjuries, three perverting the course. So yeah, very plausible that it's to do with the conveniently absent CCTV.

Just like Hillsborough, Jean Charles de Menezes, Ian Tomlinson,... perhaps the IPCC have worked out what an MO is?
You're optimistic.

IPCC said:
We have been unable, based on the evidence made available to us, to establish, beyond any reasonable doubt, what a so-called 'MO' is.

Accordingly we find that the police have no case to answer, and declare this investigation closed.
 
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CH1

"Red Guard"(NLYL)
What happened?
Wish I'd noticed and responded to you at the time.
What happened at the meeting might well have contributed to the news events now. My recollection is hazy after 6 months, but:
1. Anna Tapsell gave an account of what happened to Sean Rigg immediately prior to the police taking him in, including that Sean had ceased taking the meds, behaviour had become erratic and perceived by staff as threatening. This resulted in the support staff at the hostel locking themselves in their office and calling the police. Police had not responded in a timely fashion - nor when they picked him up were they in any way observing correct procedures in dealing with someone in mental distress - in other words they were very much arresting him, not taking him to a place of safety.
2. There were people there to speak for Lambeth Social Services and SLAM (the mental health service), though I only recall Jill Lockett from SLAM speaking. She was very uncomfortable - and admitted there had been failings in this case.
3. The woman from the IPCC (Dame Anne Owers) spoke - less than convincingly I thought. Full of excuses about the IPCC process.
4. Police area commander Neil Basu spoke authoritatively - admitting that this sort of thing could happen again whilst the mental system continues as is.
5. Samantha Rigg-David (sister) very much put the human side of what happened and how let down the family had been, Lee Jasper and Marcia Rigg (also sister) meanwhile put the political angle very forcefully.
Don't recall the Police Brixton Commander speaking.
Jill Lockett subsequently made a report to Lambeth Scrutiny Committee, which is available here
Personally I found it difficult listening to barn storming political analysis at the meeting, but there is a truth there, and if it were not for the commitment and support of radical voices it would all be water under the bridge - no justice done and no consideration of how improvements must be made.

I admire the family and their supporters for their quest for truth and change.
 

CH1

"Red Guard"(NLYL)
I would also like to add - though this was not aired at the meeting - that the hostel Sean was living in is apparently a high care hostel run on American lines by Penrose Housing Association. They specialise in addictions and criminal recidivism. Nothing I have heard about Sean Rigg necessarily puts him in that category. Sean's medication (haloperidol) is very much consistent with treatment of alcoholism or heroin addiction and as along-term treatment could be viewed as punitive.
I wonder whether he was in the right sort of institution - and on the right sort of medication.
Haloperdiol has quite unpleasant side effects. I still question why no-one considers WHY Sean stopped taking the tabs.
SLAMs view (as per Jill Locketts report referenced above) only seems to think that the treatment should have been enforced - and that the failure was that Sean was not sectioned.
 

shygirl

Well-Known Member
The arrested sergeant is a bully and an idiot. He wasn't liked by the community he covered nor by his colleagues, cos he's one of those types who, when they put on a uniform or get a little power, become like a little fascist. Incidentally, someone who witnessed Sean's arrest near the hostel reported that Sean was hit on the head with a shoe by one of the officers. When he was dying in the cage outside the station, a doctor tried to attend to him but was prevented by one of the officers who said he was dealing with it. There was so much wrong with the handling of this case, from start to finish. The family have been amazing and will not rest until they get some justice for Sean.
 

MrSki

Who am I to say you're wrong
The arrested sergeant is a bully and an idiot. He wasn't liked by the community he covered nor by his colleagues, cos he's one of those types who, when they put on a uniform or get a little power, become like a little fascist. Incidentally, someone who witnessed Sean's arrest near the hostel reported that Sean was hit on the head with a shoe by one of the officers. When he was dying in the cage outside the station, a doctor tried to attend to him but was prevented by one of the officers who said he was dealing with it. There was so much wrong with the handling of this case, from start to finish. The family have been amazing and will not rest until they get some justice for Sean.
Officer resigns ahead of disciplinary investigation . Family call on Met to withdraw acceptance of resignation.
from Inquest
 

shygirl

Well-Known Member
Its things like this that render any so-called commitment by the Met to root out wrong-doing completely fucking meaningless. I totally blame Hogan fucking Howe for accepting this cowardly and extremely cynical resignation. They're nothing but a shower of c**ts. Whatever trust I had has now been completely destroyed.
 
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