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Death following arrest: Sean Rigg

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by Minnie_the_Minx, Aug 23, 2008.

  1. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    i'm rather surprised you decided to take this attitude with a source which actually supported what you were saying. in the light of that, perhaps you'd care to reconsider your fucking pisspoor behaviour.
     
  2. detective-boy

    detective-boy Banned Banned

    I've reconsidered.

    Fuck off, you supercillious prick.
     
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  3. detective-boy

    detective-boy Banned Banned

    Missed that. If it really was three months out of order than that is worthy of serious questions being asked and I doubt that nayone can justify it not being picked up within a much shorter time.
     
  4. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    i've previously found mrs m a good judge of character but i fear in your case she's made an error :(
     
  5. el-ahrairah

    el-ahrairah forward communism, forward gerbils!

    FYI, this case has finally reached the inquest stage.
     
  6. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    I mentioned it at the Church Urban Fund meeting at Karibu on Tuesday. The (Christian) policeman opposite me didn't flinch. Don't know how some of these guys sleep at night!
     
  7. el-ahrairah

    el-ahrairah forward communism, forward gerbils!

  8. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Did they test him for drugs (Sulpiride, Haloperidol, Olanzaline - you know psychiatric drugs. I got injected like that in the Charter Nightingale at Lissom Grove, and that's a posh people's hospital. The doctors at the police station could have done anything - especially if on an ATOS contract. ATOS probably requires their doctors to piss all over the Hippocratic Oath as an initiation ceremony!)
     
  9. el-ahrairah

    el-ahrairah forward communism, forward gerbils!

    i doubt it. coppers don't tend to administrate drugs. kickings, asphixiation, brutal restraint techniques etc etc.
     
  10. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    No - I got strip searched in Brixton Police Station whilst a "rookie" Lambeth Councillor in 1994.
    They thought I was gay (never!) - and took me in and strip searched me.
    I won't go on - but why does being gay make you a candidate for strip searching?
    The pair who arrested me must have been into public humiliation (in the cells that is) - or maybe they just wanted a peek at what was in my underwear!
     
  11. el-ahrairah

    el-ahrairah forward communism, forward gerbils!

    could be. humiliation was (is?) a fairly traditional tactic by all accounts.
     
  12. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    I also remember being shocked that there seemed to be a stream of (very) young black men - 13,14,15 - going past the door of MY cell presumably for the same treatment.
    The arresting officer donned rubber gloves.
    I was told to take off all my clothes, part my buttocks, then "Open It!", and they peered into the interior of my body using a police-issue torch. I was so annoyed I shouted "You perverts!" at which they said "Get dressed" and escorted me to a back entrance to the Police Station and more or less pushed me out the door. I demanded the custody record, at which they said "Get it from the front desk!"
    The front desk refused to give me the custody record (not yet written presumably). They would post it they said.
    I was so shocked and angry that I made a complaint on council-headed note paper (copy to Cllr Marietta Crichton Stuart-Lib Dem chief whip). If I can find it I will put it up. Meanwhile here is the response I got:
    Members Room.jpg
     
  13. two sheds

    two sheds not as daft as i look

    You might want to take your name and address off that?

    The call handlers' performance was also less than spectacular:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...who-later-died-in-police-custody-7893465.html

     
  14. Plumdaff

    Plumdaff joy in people

    There is a real problem with how to get ill people to places of safety. Sadly I think a proportion of people will always require assistance from the police so we need a huge improvement in training and behaviour, at the moment it's a lottery. I know db doesn't post here any more but I do want to point out that excited delirium is a controversial diagnoses only recognised by police forces in the UK and USA, usually put forward only by their defence teams in deaths in custody cases.
     
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  15. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    If you are referring to me that is precisely why I put it up.
    My address was at Lambeth Town Hall and I complained with the knowledge and approval of my party group on the council at that time (1994).
    Of course the Police say they now have cameras everywhere, so such things cannot happen any more.
    Can they?
     
  16. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Of course it doesn't help that Lambeth Social Services closed the Effra Day Centre (for the Mentally ill) - another stroke of cost-saving genius from Donatus if memory serves.
    The correct procedure at the moment if you are in mental distress is to attend A & E. We warned you at the time!!!
     
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  17. two sheds

    two sheds not as daft as i look

    fair play :)
     
  18. el-ahrairah

    el-ahrairah forward communism, forward gerbils!

    of course, if you are suffering from psychosis, in my experience at least, one doesn't feel it necessary to attend A&E.

    i would also like to say that the standard procedure on risk assessments for mentally ill people with a history of offending is, should an episode / relapse occur: "However if the situation escalates,such as noticeable agitation,violence towards staff and deterioration of his mental health leadig to life threatening situations,staff must call the police to intervene and then inform the care team of the incident and all actions to be taken" - a direct quote from a standard form approved by Supporting People, probation, and the Health Services.

    By ignoring this for many hours the police created a situation where SR was even more agitated, and then treated him appallingly rather than as a sick man.
     
  19. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ck-of-lies-over-death-in-custody-7899857.html
     
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  20. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    When i got arrested at the Oval for cottaging in 1985 PC Nugent (aged 20 -under the age of consent at the time) told a pack of lies. The case was dropped by the police just before the start of the trail (at the Bailey incidentally)
    I was bound over in the sum of £25 to keep the peace.
    PC Nugent was kicked out of the force about 5 years later for beating a black man up in the back of a Police van.
    Tell me about it!
    I have the cuttings!
     
  21. el-ahrairah

    el-ahrairah forward communism, forward gerbils!

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  22. el-ahrairah

    el-ahrairah forward communism, forward gerbils!

    My colleague complaining today that the Chief Inspector Matt Bell MBE has been talking on the stand about a protocol they had with SR's hostel for sharing information and care planning. She was somewhat surprised by this seeing as she has records that show that Lambeth nick had been ignoring requests for a meeting to put in place protocols of that sort for six years. Lying sod. She was able to collar him afterwards and ask him why he was fibbing, before being ignored for a week until (and i believe that she threatened to go to the media with the evidence) he has now booked a date for a meeting to put in place the joint protocols that her mentally ill clients need for their own protection and the protection of the community in Brixton. and all it took was one killing, four years, one perjury, and a threat.

    Jury likely to return today or tomorrow.
     
  23. el-ahrairah

    el-ahrairah forward communism, forward gerbils!

    Verdict expected at 2.30. No-one here expects any guilt to be found, despite numerous coppers lying under oath. But you never know.
     
  24. el-ahrairah

    el-ahrairah forward communism, forward gerbils!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19049173

    I am informed that something called a section 24 notice was served by the coroner at the beginning of the inquest, meaning that the jury were unable to return a verdict of unlawful killing. this narrative verdict was about as harsh a response as was legally permissible, and should allow the family to file a civil lawsuit.
     
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  25. Brixton Hatter

    Brixton Hatter Home is south London mate

    :(

    So the police used "unsuitable force" before his death, but still cannot be held responsible for his death. Sounds familiar... :mad:

    :(
     
  26. colacubes

    colacubes Well-Known Member

    Piece on Newsnight about this now.
     
  27. el-ahrairah

    el-ahrairah forward communism, forward gerbils!

    PC Glasson, PC Forward, CI Bell all told porkies under oath but it's PC Paul White that gets the blame, presumably because he admitted it.

    This is amusing for a number of reasons. I must try and meet officer White sometime.
     
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  28. Brixton Hatter

    Brixton Hatter Home is south London mate

    Four years today that the police killed Sean Rigg in Brixton Police station.

    There is a march/protest and memorial service tonight. 6.30pm at the town hall for the service, followed by a peaceful march to the police station at about 9pm. (There will also be a protest about the violent arrest outside the Ritzy on Sunday.)

    More details here: http://www.facebook.com/events/453255738047315/
     
  29. Brixton Hatter

    Brixton Hatter Home is south London mate

    About 150 people on the march tonight, from the town hall to the police station. I didn't get to the town hall meeting but people there were shown a new docu-film which included CCTV footage from Brixton police station on the night Sean Rigg was killed. It certainly seemed to have had an effect on many who watched it, given the conversations I had with people afterwards.

    you can see the film at

    http://vim eo.com/46132509 [use this link, remove the space in the URL]

    Good to see a few urbanites there, and my old neighbour (who's had more than his fair share at the hands of lambeth police). We walked the short distance down the high street to the police station with people chanting and loads of journos and photographers in tow. Lots of support from motorists and passers by. People linked arms outside the police station and Sean Rigg's sister read out the names of the police who caused his death. It was heartbreaking. Sean Rigg's mother (i think) made the point that the police station is going to be refitted at the cost of £10m, but that the Met had been stalling over spending £4m to fit cameras in cells. People attached photos and candles to the tree outside the police station. The woman who witnessed the violent arrest outside the Ritzy on Sunday made a speech describing what she'd seen, and said she was going to hand in a complaint to the police. The crowd swarmed up the steps into the police station after her and filled the lobby.....there's still people there now.

    Lots of high-ranking coppers were there talking to press and attempting to reason with people, but they got a fair bit of verbal abuse. It was all peaceful though.

    Photos to come...
     
  30. Brixton Hatter

    Brixton Hatter Home is south London mate

    Apols for slightly poor quality - only had the pocket camera today. (Also managed to upload them in a way which meant I couldn't subsequently reduce the size, doh, ah well....)

    Outside the Town Hall:
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    Outside the police station
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    Crowd enters police station to deliver the complaint about Sunday's arrest:
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    Memorials to Sean Rigg on the tree outside the police station. RIP.
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    http://imgur.com/a/gNWnb#ozfm6
     
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