dead soldiers' carbon footprint

[david dissadent]

Sober up then come back online.

^^this.

 

[Pickman's model]

Sober up then come back online.

don't think everyone's like you and has a few jars of an evening.

 

[Pickman's model]

^^this.

don't think everyone's like you and has a few jars of an evening.

^^this

 

[winjer]

Well your right I should have said Afgahnistan and all of a sudden you criticism is justified I mean the lack of green credentials on these wars is clearly the most burning issue.

The human cost of them is nothing worth discussing.

The emissions lead to a further human cost, dumbo.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

This thread is in really poor taste, even for urban.

what you mean is *you* think it's in poor taste, which is a very different thing and tells us more about you than about the issue at hand

Yeah, okay, I'll clarify.

*I* think it's in poor taste.

And perhaps that does tell you something about me, generally. Although specifically, an ex-bf, a former fiance in fact, was involved in the First Gulf War and used to send me really heart-rending 'blueys' about how he missed me and loved me, and how he was sh!t scared but I was the only person he could write that to, because he didn't want to tell his mum in his letters to her. And then his company was hit by the Yank's 'friendly fire' and some comrades in arms came home dead, or what was left of them, more like.

And I have close family members in the forces, and their friends who I met at their wedding last year, some of them are serving at the moment, and some of them might not be coming back alive.

So, yeah, having known people who've faced that reality, who've been in that situation, yes *I* think it's in poor taste.

The fact that some people think it's a laughing matter that some people are being killed and coming home in body bags says a lot about them.

 

[Nigel]

it's a bloody disgrace, the government insisting on flying dead bodies home from afghanistan instead of doing the green thing, which would be to bury them in helmand. how many tonnes of emissions can they justify on the repatriation of remains?

Couldn't they just use them as bio fuels

 

[spring-peeper]

Yeah, okay, I'll clarify.

*I* think it's in poor taste.

And perhaps that does tell you something about me, generally. Although specifically, an ex-bf, a former fiance in fact, was involved in the First Gulf War and used to send me really heart-rending 'blueys' about how he missed me and loved me, and how he was sh!t scared but I was the only person he could write that to, because he didn't want to tell his mum in his letters to her. And then his company was hit by the Yank's 'friendly fire' and some comrades in arms came home dead, or what was left of them, more like.

And I have close family members in the forces, and their friends who I met at their wedding last year, some of them are serving at the moment, and some of them might not be coming back alive.

So, yeah, having known people who've faced that reality, who've been in that situation, yes *I* think it's in poor taste.

The fact that some people think it's a laughing matter that some people are being killed and coming home in body bags says a lot about them.

(((AnnO'Neemus)))

I hope you have put this thread on ignore.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

(((AnnO'Neemus)))

I hope you have put this thread on ignore.

Oh, to clarify, it was his mates who got hit, not him, he came home in one piece, thankfully.

But I do think it's a bit of a sh!tty thing to joke about.

 

[spring-peeper]

Oh, to clarify, it was his mates who got hit, not him, he came home in one piece, thankfully.

This morning I was in a government office and I could see into the cubicles. I noticed a faded newspaper article in one of them. Beside the paper was a coloured photograph of a young man in uniform. There was also a print out of what looked like a poem underneath. It was cut in an interesting pattern. The entire thing was framed by the Legion's poppies that they sell for Remembrance Day.

I wish I could have gotten closer. Just a glimpse of the person or a word or the poem, but it didn't happen.

The entire thing made me feel sad, I wanted to know the story. Each member of our Armed Forces is near and dear to my heart - each death is a heart rendering tragedy.

I would never make light of your feelings on this front.

But I do think it's a bit of a sh!tty thing to joke about.

I agree and I know that as you scroll backwards, you will probably find many of my posts that could offend you. My posts were made more in the spirit of "Pickman's an asshole for even considering this" and "just how stupid can we make this thing go".

With the possible exception of Pickman, no one posting here would ever consider such an option. Imo, those posters how have seen/read this thread and not post probably did so because the concept is so absurd that it does not dignify a response.



Let's all let the thread die - it's not even worthy of the stinky bin!!!

 

[8ball]

There must be a compromise solution.

For instance, did you know the human body is largely made of water?

 

[butchersapron]

With the possible exception of Pickman, no one posting here would ever consider such an option. Imo, those posters how have seen/read this thread and not post probably did so because the concept is so absurd that it does not dignify a response.

Fuck off putting words in my mouth.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yeah, okay, I'll clarify.

*I* think it's in poor taste.

And perhaps that does tell you something about me, generally. Although specifically, an ex-bf, a former fiance in fact, was involved in the First Gulf War and used to send me really heart-rending 'blueys' about how he missed me and loved me, and how he was sh!t scared but I was the only person he could write that to, because he didn't want to tell his mum in his letters to her. And then his company was hit by the Yank's 'friendly fire' and some comrades in arms came home dead, or what was left of them, more like.

And I have close family members in the forces, and their friends who I met at their wedding last year, some of them are serving at the moment, and some of them might not be coming back alive.

So, yeah, having known people who've faced that reality, who've been in that situation, yes *I* think it's in poor taste.

The fact that some people think it's a laughing matter that some people are being killed and coming home in body bags says a lot about them.

could you please point me to where anyone's said it's a laugh people being killed or coming home in body bags is a joke? if - as you imply - corpses are being shipped by air in (unrefrigerated) body bags and not in appropriate containers, i hope you'll let the appropriate authorities know.

as for taste, it's in the mouth of the beholder.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

could you please point me to where anyone's said it's a laugh people being killed or coming home in body bags is a joke? if - as you imply - corpses are being shipped by air in (unrefrigerated) body bags and not in appropriate containers, i hope you'll let the appropriate authorities know.

as for taste, it's in the mouth of the beholder.

No, what's in bad taste, is a discussion of the disposition of the remains of soldiers killed in action, in the context of their 'carbon footprint'.

It has all the earmarks of monumental callousness and lack of human feeling.

 

[Pickman's model]

The entire thing made me feel sad, I wanted to know the story. Each member of our Armed Forces is near and dear to my heart - each death is a heart rendering tragedy.

so how do you feel when members of the armed forces assault prisoners, assault members of the public in this country, commit crimes or 'suicide' others like at deepcut? do you take a caring look at that and do something about it, like you should do for your nearest and dearest? or - as i suspect - does this warm emotion only come into play when they're off shooting people?

 

[Pickman's model]

No, what's in bad taste, is a discussion of the disposition of the remains of soldiers killed in action, in the context of their 'carbon footprint'.

It has all the earmarks of monumental callousness and lack of human feeling.

right. so there are some things for which it's perfectly alright to needlessly pollute the environment despite there being other options available - in your opinion.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

It's like you're trying to be doubly cool and with it. First of all, you're trying to appear to be all ecologically aware and activist.

Second, you figure that since the war is unpopular on the boards, you can score extra points by attacking an aspect of it, from this 'green' angle.

But in the end, no matter what some peoples' politics are, some things just cross that line into crude insensitivity.

 

[Pickman's model]

Couldn't they just use them as bio fuels

it's of course an option open to the families of the deceased.

 

[Pickman's model]

It's like you're trying to be doubly cool and with it. First of all, you're trying to appear to be all ecologically aware and activist.

Second, you figure that since the war is unpopular on the boards, you can score extra points by attacking an aspect of it, from this 'green' angle.

But in the end, no matter what some peoples' politics are, some things just cross that line into crude insensitivity.

if i wanted cod psychology, i'd have turned to phildwyer.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

if i wanted cod psychology, i'd have turned to phildwyer.

I don't know what you want or not, I'm just giving my opinion of where this thread fell flat on its face.

 

[MikeMcc]

so how do you feel when members of the armed forces assault prisoners, assault members of the public in this country, commit crimes or 'suicide' others like at deepcut? do you take a caring look at that and do something about it, like you should do for your nearest and dearest? or - as i suspect - does this warm emotion only come into play when they're off shooting people?

Yawn...

So what about when drunken civvies assualt others on the piss down town or commit crimes, when they gang up to beat the shit out of some poor sod?

It's boring political claptrap, just as bad as the red rags supporting 'our boys' or the empty politicans soundbites.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yawn...

So what about when drunken civvies assualt others on the piss down town or commit crimes, when they gang up to beat the shit out of some poor sod?

It's boring political claptrap, just as bad as the red rags supporting 'our boys' or the empty politicans soundbites.

if you want to discuss that, you can of course start your own thread. but i suspect it would be a bit of a car crash.

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't know what you want or not, I'm just giving my opinion of where this thread fell flat on its face.

thank you for sharing.

 

[MikeMcc]

if you want to discuss that, you can of course start your own thread. but i suspect it would be a bit of a car crash.

You shouldn't have raised it in this then, should you?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

thank you for sharing.

It's all in the nature of a bb.

 

[Pickman's model]

You shouldn't have raised it in this then, should you?

assuming 'it' is people fighting in the streets after a few beers, you raised it.

 

[ShiftyBagLady]

*I* think it's in poor taste.

So, yeah, having known people who've faced that reality, who've been in that situation, yes *I* think it's in poor taste.

The fact that some people think it's a laughing matter that some people are being killed and coming home in body bags says a lot about them.

Absolutely agree.
Whether you agree with a war, support it or have sympathy for the people fighting it, surely any decent human being would have some sympathy, some decent respect for the grief of the families whose loved ones have died?
It's callous. Surely you can find something funny to joke about.

I wonder if you feel similarly about Brits who die in foreign countries while on holdiay?
Anyway, the planes will be sent back out with supplies/men/post or whatnot thus serving a purpose other than the repatriation of deceased loved ones.
But, you know, seen as you feel so strongly why not go and mount a green protest at Lyneham at the next repatriation. That would be entertaining.

 

[MikeMcc]

assuming 'it' is people fighting in the streets after a few beers, you raised it.

quibbling on a pointless arguement

so how do you feel when members of the armed forces assault prisoners, assault members of the public in this country, commit crimes or 'suicide' others like at deepcut? do you take a caring look at that and do something about it, like you should do for your nearest and dearest? or - as i suspect - does this warm emotion only come into play when they're off shooting people?

 

[MikeMcc]

Absolutely agree.
Whether you agree with a war, support it or have sympathy for the people fighting it, surely any decent human being would have some sympathy, some decent respect for the grief of the families whose loved ones have died?
It's callous. Surely you can find something funny to joke about.

I wonder if you feel similarly about Brits who die in foreign countries while on holdiay?
Anyway, the planes will be sent back out with supplies/men/post or whatnot thus serving a purpose other than the repatriation of deceased loved ones.
But, you know, seen as you feel so strongly why not go and mount a green protest at Lyneham at the next repatriation. That would be entertaining.

Or see how far you get protesting in Wootten Bassett.

 

[Pickman's model]

mike mcc - my experience with members of the armed forces committing assaults on members of the public has been that they lie about it. i brought that up in the context of spring-peeper's perverse and apparently unreserved support for the armed forces. as for committing crimes, i was thinking more along the lines of this http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jul/13/baha-mousa-inquiry-opens. of course, you don't have to send the armed forces abroad for them to commit serious crimes, as the nationalist population of the six counties has found out on numerous occasions.

 

[Pickman's model]

Absolutely agree.
Whether you agree with a war, support it or have sympathy for the people fighting it, surely any decent human being would have some sympathy, some decent respect for the grief of the families whose loved ones have died?
It's callous. Surely you can find something funny to joke about.

given that there are large numbers of dead soldiers for whose families no one in their right minds would ever suggest we feel a jot of sympathy, i'm not entirely persuaded by your claim.