David Kelly - no fingerprints were on the knife!

[editor]

"Professional assasin" Hohoho!

How many "professional assasins" (titter titter) do you think there are operating in the first world?

Oh sorry. So you think the 'murder' was done by a bumbling amateur and that there are no paid assassins anywhere to be found in the 'first world', yes?

 

[DrRingDing]

You recall incorrectly. I have never taken an "extreme" position on this case (whatever that is supposed to mean).

Perhaps my preference to weigh up reliable evidence and facts from credible sources rather than listen to the excited witterings of wannabe bedroom sleuths is confusing you.

Have you or have you not always held the opinion, regardless of what details are availible, that Dr Kelly committed suicide?

 

[DrRingDing]

Oh sorry. So you think the 'murder' was done by a bumbling amateur and that there are no paid assassins anywhere to be found in the 'first world', yes?

There's people who kill for money in the criminal world but to suggest they are sophisticated professionals that cover their tracks perfectly is just james bond fantasy.

 

[Lock&Light]

regardless of what details are availible

It's the details that are available which make me think it was suicide.

 

[DrRingDing]

It's the details that are available which make me think it was suicide.

So the yanky money men are willing to kill 1 million people in Iraq for money and resources but are too decent to kill 1 man in blighty.

Jolly nice chaps they are.

 

[Lock&Light]

but are too decent to kill 1 man in blighty.

"Too decent"? I hardly think so.

"Not so stupid", is more like it.

 

[editor]

Have you or have you not always held the opinion, regardless of what details are availible, that Dr Kelly committed suicide?

Why not do a search and find out?

 

[DrRingDing]

Why not do a search and find out?

I believe my memory to be just fine thanks.

 

[DrRingDing]

"Too decent"? I hardly think so.

"Not so stupid", is more like it.

So killing a million in Iraq is fine and killing one in the uk is stupid.

Great logic.

 

[editor]

There's people who kill for money in the criminal world but to suggest they are sophisticated professionals that cover their tracks perfectly is just james bond fantasy.

If they're making a living from it, then they're professionals, silly boy. And yes, I certainly believe there's more than a few people in the first world who will kill for money.

No note you've tried to muddy the waters with nonsense about 'sophisticated' killers and 'James Bond', probably because you realise you've made a bit of a whoopsie with your earlier emphatic claim than not a single professional assassin can be found anywhere in the first world.

 

[editor]

So the yanky money men are willing to kill 1 million people in Iraq for money and resources but are too decent to kill 1 man in blighty.

Jolly nice chaps they are.

Great logic! So why isn't Baker pushing up daisies already then?

 

[Lock&Light]

So killing a million in Iraq is fine and killing one in the uk is stupid.

If you think that's a justified comparison then it is you who is stupid.

 

[DrRingDing]

If they're making a living from it, then they're professionals, silly boy. And yes, I certainly believe there's more than a few people in the first world who will kill for money.

No note you've tried to muddy the waters with nonsense about 'sophisticated' killers and 'James Bond', probably because you realise you've made a bit of a whoopsie with your earlier emphatic claim than not a single professional assassin can be found anywhere in the first world.

Professional also means 'expert'. You know this, rickety old man.

 

[DrRingDing]

Great logic! So why isn't Baker pushing up daisies already then?

Don't be a plonker.

 

[editor]

Professional also means 'expert'.

No it doesn't but your desperation to cover your tracks by trying to put my words in my mouth again is duly noted.

But let's get it straight: are you insisting that there are no professional assassins anywhere in the first world? Not one. None. Zero?

Give it up RingDing. You're out of your depth and it's time to stop digging.

 

[DrRingDing]

No it doesn't but your desperation to cover your tracks by trying to put my words in my mouth again is duly noted.

Err, yes it does. Do I really need to point you in the direction of a dictionary?

 

[Lock&Light]

Err, yes it does. Do I really need to point you in the direction of a dictionary?

It's you who is the plonker.

 

[DrRingDing]

It's you who is the plonker.

I shall await apologies from both you and the editor.

pro·fes·sion·al (pr-fsh-nl)
adj.
1.
a. Of, relating to, engaged in, or suitable for a profession: lawyers, doctors, and other professional people.
b. Conforming to the standards of a profession: professional behavior.
2. Engaging in a given activity as a source of livelihood or as a career: a professional writer.
3. Performed by persons receiving pay: professional football.
4. Having or showing great skill; expert: a professional repair job.
n.
1. A person following a profession, especially a learned profession.
2. One who earns a living in a given or implied occupation: hired a professional to decorate the house.
3. A skilled practitioner; an expert.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/professional

 

[editor]

I shall await apologies from both you and the editor.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/professional

You can be a professional and not an expert, you clueless half wit!

Have you never experienced a rogue trader in your life? Or do you assume that because they're being paid to do it, they must be experts? LOL.

Oh, and how how about the 'sophisticated' bit you made up?

And then you might finally answer my question: are you really insisting that there are no professional assassins anywhere in the first world?

 

[fela fan]

I agree. But that doesn't mean that the evidence for murder is automatically strong.

There is simply little definitive evidence, full stop.

An "open" verdict (i.e. we simply don't know, and never will) would be my choice. But people simply can't deal with not knowing.

Oh look mate, there's very little evidence of murder. If there was the state and its proponents would be fucked. And that won't do. How can the state be beaten by the mere people?

The evidence for suicide is as weak as hell, in fact it's zero, it's as bad as a james bond movie gone wrong. In the general scheme of things it's obvious the man was murdered.

But the british state when it kills someone (or the US state who do it 'on behalf' of the british state) is unlikely to leave 'evidence' behind.

For a start they can hide behind the D notices that block relevant talk in the media.

Really, it's as easy as pie for the state to hide its crimes from the media. It's always done it, and it always will do it.

Kelly was murdered, and you're rabbitting on about evidence!! As if. Get a life man.

 

[fela fan]

And then you might finally answer my question: are you really insisting that there are no professional assassins anywhere in the first world?

I'll answer for you.

Professional assassins in the first world are everywhere. They are employed by the secret services of the likes of the UK, US, Israel, France, Germany, Russia, and so on.

Or did you overlook that minor fact?

 

[weltweit]

Unfortunatley the statement "no fingerprints on the knife" does not tell us very much really except that there were no identifiable and perhaps complete fingerprints.

If Dr Kelly had used the knife to cut into his arm and sever an artery he would have had to grip the knife quite hard with his other hand and so it could be expected that there would be imprints at least of the palm of his hand and of parts of fingers. Then as he apparently severed his artery with the knife there would also undoubtedly be blood on the knife.

The statement "no fingerprints on the knife" does not illuminate if:

1) there were palm and partial finger prints on the knife
2) there was Dr Kelly's blood on the knife

Perhaps it is also interesting if there is proof that this knife was from his own home i.e. that he did most likely bring it with him and unlikely that an assassin provided it.

 

[fela fan]

If Dr Kelly had used the knife to cut into his arm and sever an artery he would have had to grip the knife quite hard with his other hand

why?

 

[editor]

I'll answer for you.

Professional assassins in the first world are everywhere. They are employed by the secret services of the likes of the UK, US, Israel, France, Germany, Russia, and so on.

Thank you. You're agreeing with me and amplifying what a clueless cock RingDing is.

Or did you overlook that minor fact?

Looks like you 'overlooked' the notion of reading the whole thread first. But thank you again for your support. Much appreciated.

 

[editor]

The evidence for suicide is as weak as hell, in fact it's zero, it's as bad as a james bond movie gone wrong. In the general scheme of things it's obvious the man was murdered.

What evidence is there that he was murdered then?

 

[fela fan]

What evidence is there that he was murdered then?

None that's available to the general public, and that includes me.

There's only supposition available either way. But my supposition that he was murdered has far far better odds than yours that he killed himself.

 

[editor]

But my supposition that he was murdered has far far better odds than yours that he killed himself.

Based on what exactly?

 

[fela fan]

Thank you. You're agreeing with me and amplifying what a clueless cock RingDing is.Looks like you 'overlooked' the notion of reading the whole thread first. But thank you again for your support. Much appreciated.

So does that mean that you agree that the secret services of the UK have been responsible for bumping off people?

I read the whole thread, subjects like this always interest me. I like the way folk appear to defend the state as if it's some kind of benign uncle looking after all our interests.

 

[detective-boy]

Kelly was murdered, and you're rabbitting on about evidence!!

So, if you don't believe in evidence, what exactly do you base your conclusions on then?

 

[fela fan]

Based on what exactly?

Based on how just extremely convenient it was of kelly to kill himself just at the very moment that he could have brought down the UK government, and most likely the US government as a result.

The timing for a suicide could not have been bettered... for the secret services of the UK and/or the US. Gotta protect the criminals in charge of the governments eh?!!!!