hot air baboon
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..he could sing it though...
David Bowie a nazi ?
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..he could sing it though...
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what, sa marschiert mit ruhig festem schritt?
hot air baboon
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...Bahnhof zu Bahnhof..
....die Zwerg lachend...
....die Zwerg lachend...
D'wards
IT'S YOUR DECISION DANIEL
To quote notible philosopher Robbie Williams "Every mistake I've ever made has been rehashed and been replayed".
The punks always used to wear nazi gubbins - there's a famous photo of Siouxie out and about with a swastika armband wearing a very revealing outfit. In fact, so revealing its not really an outfit.
Plus old Lemmy and his boots and crosses etc
The punks always used to wear nazi gubbins - there's a famous photo of Siouxie out and about with a swastika armband wearing a very revealing outfit. In fact, so revealing its not really an outfit.
Plus old Lemmy and his boots and crosses etc
hot air baboon
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...they had some pretty dodgy quotes more to the point...Siouxise had some dodgy lyrics about Jews , not to mention Killing Joke...I think they got a fair amount of criticism for it at the time....
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hot air baboon
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hot air baboon
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...the above from Rip it Up and Start Again..the Siouxsie song was Love in A Void
'Love In a Void' - Siouxsie and the Banshees.
As the most visual exponent of swastika wearing, having a song that originally contained the line 'Too many jews for my liking' was not the wisest move to allay critics. This was explained by the band as there being "too many fat businessmen." Just as bad stereotyping Jews as fat businessman. The line was changed and never officially released with it. Later Siouxsie did RAR gigs and featured the work of anti Nazi John Heartfield on record sleeves.
Punk & The Swastika - Songs & Lyrics
'Love In a Void' - Siouxsie and the Banshees.
As the most visual exponent of swastika wearing, having a song that originally contained the line 'Too many jews for my liking' was not the wisest move to allay critics. This was explained by the band as there being "too many fat businessmen." Just as bad stereotyping Jews as fat businessman. The line was changed and never officially released with it. Later Siouxsie did RAR gigs and featured the work of anti Nazi John Heartfield on record sleeves.
Punk & The Swastika - Songs & Lyrics
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Siouxsie and David are both from Bromley - coincidence? I dont think so!
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69 Alan
Read the numbers down and upside down...the sign of evil here and in Oz
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have you ever explored your dark side?
Siouxsie was from Chislehurst though....
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
good try, Lemmy was 70
69 Lemmy
69 David
69 Alan
Read the numbers down and upside down...the sign of evil here and in Oz
eta Lemmy's birthday in December, Bowie's in January and Rickman's in February & two of them died days after their birthdays... coincidence????
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ska invita
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Lurdan
old wave
I don't doubt that he was largely out of his face on drugs during the thin white duke period, but I also guess it was easier to blame that than to acknowledge that the 'master' of image and reinvention had radically misjudged the effect of this particular strand of deliberately 'transgressive' self-publicity.
The 1976 Playboy interview (conducted by Cameron Crowe in his rock journo days) is here. It has the "I believe very strongly in fascism" quote. However, I think the most interesting bit of it is
The practical impact of what he thought or said is another matter entirely. There are a couple of obituaries from very right wing perspectives on Alternative Right including this one
I think that what Bowie stood for was far more significant than what he did or didn't believe in. The 60s saw a complete change in what being a pop star meant and could be. Bowie (and others) built on that. An extremely talented songwriter and performer (right from the start - 'The London Boys' is a remarkable record) Bowie aspired to be much more. Looking at the Warhol set and at contemporaries like the Stones he wanted their status. He wanted to be part of the cultural aristocracy, not just at the level of Warhol's courtiers like the Velvets, but of Warhol himself. He succeeded, and he retained that status up to his death. But in achieving that he also validated that elitist notion of being a cultural aristocrat. Personally I think that's rather more salient than whether or not he was a 'nazi'. But then as far as I'm concerned there's only one place for aristo's - all of them not just the ones who are obliging enough to paint swastika's on themselves - and that's into the fucking tumbril.
exit Lurdan pulling grinch faces and waving his stick at lamp posts.
The 1976 Playboy interview (conducted by Cameron Crowe in his rock journo days) is here. It has the "I believe very strongly in fascism" quote. However, I think the most interesting bit of it is
My own view, for what it's worth, is that this vein of new age, 'Nietzschean' elitism, set against a backdrop of 'decline of the west' style dystopianism, is a better indicator of the reactionary aspects of Bowie's thinking than whether he collected nazi memorabilia or talked bollocks.
The practical impact of what he thought or said is another matter entirely. There are a couple of obituaries from very right wing perspectives on Alternative Right including this one
but the author of this is hardly typical. I'd imagine that there were rather more people sniggering at the 'gotta make way for the Homo Superior' line in 'Oh You Pretty Things' than there were taking it as validation of their own 'elite status'.
I think that what Bowie stood for was far more significant than what he did or didn't believe in. The 60s saw a complete change in what being a pop star meant and could be. Bowie (and others) built on that. An extremely talented songwriter and performer (right from the start - 'The London Boys' is a remarkable record) Bowie aspired to be much more. Looking at the Warhol set and at contemporaries like the Stones he wanted their status. He wanted to be part of the cultural aristocracy, not just at the level of Warhol's courtiers like the Velvets, but of Warhol himself. He succeeded, and he retained that status up to his death. But in achieving that he also validated that elitist notion of being a cultural aristocrat. Personally I think that's rather more salient than whether or not he was a 'nazi'. But then as far as I'm concerned there's only one place for aristo's - all of them not just the ones who are obliging enough to paint swastika's on themselves - and that's into the fucking tumbril.
exit Lurdan pulling grinch faces and waving his stick at lamp posts.
hot air baboon
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...he should have stuck to being the next Anthony Newley...
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I saw Siouxsie in Munich in 1982 and she called the audience Nazis and it was supposed to be appreciative and provocative, but she got booed and went down like a lead balloon. Then she got pissy and started to insult the audience. She was probably drunk but still, I went off her for a while after that.
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I THINK not!eta Lemmy's birthday in December, Bowie's in January and Rickman's in February & two of them died days after their birthdays... coincidence????
Well spotted!
