Damilola

[Blagsta]

leaving dangerous people out on the streets doesnt seem to be working either

Very true.

there needs to be change at the very grass roots of society, encouraged and fostered from above.

I'd rather it came from below.

 

[waverunner]

I'm stumped ... no ideas on how to stop kids acting the way more and more of them seem to do these days. 15 year olds stabbing each other and setting dogs on each other? 13 year old stabbing 10 year olds? other teens spitting on passers by and being racially abusive?

So many of the kids (that I know of) who are like this come from criminal family backgrounds or at least have parents who just couldn't give a shit. Its so fucking sad and quite scary at the same time - i hate it when i see a report that someones been nicked for a violent/abusive crime and i see their DOB is 1993. 1993 was fucking yesterday!

 

[detective-boy]

An enforced and socially valued system of community reparations might be more valueable, together with a mentoring system.

Both of which are bits of the YOTS arsenal - which works in many/most cases in diverting youth offenders from serious crime.

Alcohol - once they get to 15/16/17 and end up getting arsed on Fri/Sat night is, in my experience, the big, big factor in them getting involved in serious violence in big numbers. (Doesn't explain the Damilola case though)

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yes that would be a good scenario , Harsh enough to scare people but with out the chance to corrupt them further . A army boot camp type set up perhaps ?

Doesn't work. Just turns little shits into fit little shits.

 

[spanglechick]

Both of which are bits of the YOTS arsenal - which works in many/most cases in diverting youth offenders from serious crime.

Alcohol - once they get to 15/16/17 and end up getting arsed on Fri/Sat night is, in my experience, the big, big factor in them getting involved in serious violence in big numbers. (Doesn't explain the Damilola case though)

my experience from teaching kids from these backgrounds (although not any more), is that for boys, especially, it's about role models. Big brothers, gangs - these are the most prevalent role models. Sadly, higher achieving blokes often move away.

I know the mentoring system exists - i think it should be improved, developed, invested in.

Kids need to see young people from their own backgrounds who have positive attractive lifestyles.

 

[JHE]

According to the TV news I saw last night, small quantities of the blood of the dead lad were found on the clothes of the two young thugs. Does anyone here know what their defence was? Did they claim it wasn't the blood of the dead lad or that it had been planted by Plod or that they were there but not involved in the attack or... what?

 

[JHE]

Sadly, higher achieving blokes often move away.

If Peckham is even half as horrible as its reputation, who can blame 'em?

 

[detective-boy]

Kids need to see young people from their own backgrounds who have positive attractive lifestyles.

It's getting better slowly, but, for a variety of reasons (including racism, classism, lack of educational opportunities and others) there's still sadly way too few of them ...

 

[detective-boy]

Did they claim it wasn't the blood of the dead lad or that it had been planted by Plod or that they were there but not involved in the attack or... what?

I think it was something along the lines of the former - though I'm not sure they were ever totally denying being there as such. The blood was not found on the first examination and was only found when all the stuff was resubmitted for re-examination after the first trial collapsed.

There's an enquiry into why and senior officers are making very concerned noises about the reliability of forensic science, but it will not be an issue in that way. Sensitivity has moved on in the last few years and specks tiny enough to be matched now (not even visible to the eye) would NOT have been looked for just a few years ago because nothing could be done with them - so that's one probable explanation / part-explanation. The other will (undoubtedly) be poor management of the scientific examination (by a scientist) by the senior investigator (a copper). The latter will have sent the shoes "for examination" with little or no input in exactly what / how that was to be done, or in checking what had been done and how on return. This is despite good practice being to hold forensic science strategy meetings at regular intervals with investigators, scene examiners, exhibits officers and scientists all represented. It simply does not happen as often as it should, and when it does it does not work as it is envisaged it should.

With a science background I was a pain in the arse as an SIO in managing scene examiners and scientists. Their reaction - surprise that I dare do more than simply say get on with "it", whatever they chose "it" to be - told me all I needed to know about the approach of other SIOs.

 

[Louloubelle]

my experience from teaching kids from these backgrounds (although not any more), is that for boys, especially, it's about role models. Big brothers, gangs - these are the most prevalent role models. Sadly, higher achieving blokes often move away.

I know the mentoring system exists - i think it should be improved, developed, invested in.

Kids need to see young people from their own backgrounds who have positive attractive lifestyles.

I agree with this

I also think that there is a problem in that kids are an identified target market for all kinds of consumable goods, including music, games and clothes, that kids feel they have to have.

The whole concept of creating the illusion that people purchase to express their individuality (as opposed to lining the pockets of multi-nationals) has now been successfully transferred to kids it seems to me that many kids have their closest relationships with companies rather than their parents. Brand loyalty has overtaken a sense of one's place in the community as the primary experience of self-identification.

When I was a littleun I wanted certain toys, clothes, etc, but my desires were frustrated via the gateway of may parents purse strings. Now kids will either guilt trip their parents into getting stuff or find a way of obtaining it themselves through some kind of enterprise, often criminal.

Kids are driven by a need to belong and gain a position of respect within their cultural group and unless we give them ways of doing this they will attempt to gain status through consumerism and crime. IMO

 

[Chuff]

Harsh enough to scare people but with out the chance to corrupt them further . A army boot camp type set up perhaps ?

It has been proven over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over (etc) that penalties no matter how harsh do not deter crime we can go back to 700 bc and the pulling of teeth of cannabis smokers and see that there are no causal links between punishment and crime

lets execute them, chop off their arms etc etc simply bullshit to feed the masses bloodlust.




the only way to effectivly reduce violence or crime generaly is to address the underlying social issues, such as poverty, education, parenting etc as there is no real interest in doing this from any political party, its much easier to sinlge out a minority group and scapegoat them its immigrants, crackheads, pikeys, blacks.

this has the double benifit of breeding predjuice and fear which allow harsher control measures, greater police etc powers and higher prophit margins.


while western society continues to ignore the needs of individuals (including teenage mums on council estates) this sort of thing will go on and on

 

[poster342002]

It's been suggested that this attack was over ... a fucking jacket, of all things. FFS!

 

[editor]

The killer has been jailed again.

A man who killed the schoolboy Damilola Taylor has been jailed for four years for seriously injuring a police officer by driving his car into her.

Ricky Preddie, 32, reversed into PC Natalia Trzeciak on the pavement to avoid a police stop in Wembley, north-west London, in November.

Harrow Crown Court was told she suffered neck and leg injuries.

Preddie and his brother Danny were jailed in 2006 for the manslaughter of Damilola in November 2000.

Preddie, also known as Ricky Johnson, was driving an Alfa Romeo, which police tried to stop, Harrow Crown Court heard.

To avoid them, he reversed along the pavement and smashed into the police vehicle PC Trzeciak was getting out of.

He escaped but was later arrested.

Johnson admitted causing serious injury by dangerous driving, driving while disqualified, failing to stop and driving without insurance.

He was 13 years old when he killed Damilola, who was jabbed in the thigh with a broken beer bottle as he walked home from a library after school.

The 10-year-old was found bleeding to death in a stairwell near his home in Peckham, south London.

Damilola killer jailed for driving at police officer

The police officer suffered serious neck and leg injuries when a car was driven into her vehicle.

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