Daddy Bush leaps to Dubya defensive

[fela fan]

There are lots of forums to slag Bush. The funeral of a national figure isn't one of them.

Since the man is an outlandish criminal of the very worst and [self-censored here too] sort, who has thousands of gallons of blood on his hands, who has experimented with human lives in order to advance his and his cronies' money and power, i think it the minimum that he is exposed to.

He is one of [i guess i better censor this bit too, dangerous world these days expressing one's free opinions] human beings on this planet today and he deserves any kind of criticism anywhere any time by anyone.

That previous presidents are doing so at a funeral demonstrates just how awful a man and president this bush criminal is. He is polarising america to an extent that such people find it necessary to have a dig at him at a funeral.

He's a [and here i censor my description] of a human who has caused mountains of misery. I say give the bastard more and more and more until he gets out of his job and into jail.

 

[Andy the Don]

. The remarks were made at a funeral. The President was in attendance to show respect for the deceased,

Shame he, the president, does not have the courage to attend just one of the funerals for the fallen from his Iraq adventure. Or even to be at one of the military airbases when the coffins are returned. But then he would be contradicting his statement of May 2003, that all major military operations are finished.

 

[Andy the Don]

As I recall "Read my lips no new taxes." and the political courage to risk disciplining a bolshie Israel were what did for Poppy. Dubya has certainly learned one lesson from Poppy, timidly pander to the GOP base and they will abase themselves before you, lead and they will hate you.

What did for Bush senior was when he addressed a republician evangelical christain event & started his speach with..

"I must be the only one here to have been born only the once..." wooops lose your support. A mistake that he never recovered from, as the chriatain right largely stayed at home in 1992. A mistake which the son has learnt from..

 

[X-77]

There are lots of forums to slag Bush. The funeral of a national figure isn't one of them.

when that national figure and her husband rose to prominence and stood for everything Bush is systematically out to destroy however (civil rights, social justice, equality, an end to war etc), there couldn't be a more appropriate platform on which to slag Bush. To ignore all this would have been to ignore everything that Coretta Scott King was all about. Thank goodness Bush didn't get his perfect little photo opportunity he was after either

How predictable that the right-wingers in America are frothing at the mouth and saying how 'inappropriate' it was though..but then they would say that, wouldn't they?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Since the man is an outlandish criminal of the very worst and [self-censored here too] sort, who has thousands of gallons of blood on his hands, who has experimented with human lives in order to advance his and his cronies' money and power, i think it the minimum that he is exposed to.

He is one of [i guess i better censor this bit too, dangerous world these days expressing one's free opinions] human beings on this planet today and he deserves any kind of criticism anywhere any time by anyone.

That previous presidents are doing so at a funeral demonstrates just how awful a man and president this bush criminal is. He is polarising america to an extent that such people find it necessary to have a dig at him at a funeral.

He's a [and here i censor my description] of a human who has caused mountains of misery. I say give the bastard more and more and more until he gets out of his job and into jail.

Then he shouldn't have been invited to the funeral.

Like it or not, there are standards of decorum. You might think that he's Hitler incarnate, but many don't. Also, there are many who disagree with him, who would recognize that it is possible to be intensely critical of Bush, in the right place, without degenerating into a free for all.

And if you're so worried about letting free criticism reign, why not work to allow dissenters to be able to say something critical within earshot of your Parliament buildings?

 

[In Bloom]

And if you're so worried about letting free criticism reign, why not work to allow dissenters to be able to say something critical within earshot of your Parliament buildings?

Because he's in Thailand, maybe? You wanker

Typical of you lot to try and derail the issue when you're losing an argument though. Maybe you should check the UK P+P forums and note that we don't all worship our government here

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

when that national figure and her husband rose to prominence and stood for everything Bush is systematically out to destroy however (civil rights, social justice, equality, an end to war etc), there couldn't be a more appropriate platform on which to slag Bush. To ignore all this would have been to ignore everything that Coretta Scott King was all about. Thank goodness Bush didn't get his perfect little photo opportunity he was after either

How predictable that the right-wingers in America are frothing at the mouth and saying how 'inappropriate' it was though..but then they would say that, wouldn't they?

What it shows me, is that there are becoming fewer and fewer situations where the two divisions of US politics, the dems and repubs, can come together. I would have thought that this funeral might have been one of them.

I don't think it does the country any good to promote the idea that the two parties are two solitudes that can never meet without warfare. They're supposed to be two political parties dedicated to furthering their country, and sometimes, to do so, it's good if they're able to work together, or at least meet together, without rancour.

 

[rogue yam]

It's why impeachment is impossible, it's too great an attack on themdeludedselves.

Try telling this to Bubba.

 

[krtek a houby]

If you had any class at all, and especially if you had any faith in God, this would be obvious. Your reaction is typical of amoral, atheistic leftists. Everything is political, and any tactic to tear down others is acceptable. President Bush has never done such a crass, mean-spirited, irreverant thing in his entire political life. This is one major reason why the left is so impotent here in America. In a land of generally decent and God-loving souls, evil is shunned.

 

[oi2002]

Accountability! That just code for the corrupt politics of a myopic self interested nation.

I was just listening to Open Source on podcast with Gary Hart and Dick Perle. They agreed on America's energy security needing to be addressed domestically. Hart mentioed that Carter rather than flapping his lips about Oil addiction slapped a 10 Cent tax on gas, only 12 Senators supported him. I do recall there were other reasons why Reagan got a landslide but I'd forgotten Jimmy actually had a political backbone.

I'm too young to have a proper memory of that guilded fop JFK, Dick Nixon and Carter I can remmeber. I do recall thinking what in hell is this pious peanut farmer doing in Tricky Dickies Oval office.

I get the similar feeling with the latest encumbent, the dumb patrician arrogance of JFK dominated the first term, now in the second he's invertebrate version of Carter vacillating to his base.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Accountability! That just code for the corrupt politics of a myopic self interested nation.

I was just listening to Open Source on podcast with Gary Hart and Dick Perle. They agreed on America's energy security needing to be addressed domestically. Hart mentioed that Carter rather than flapping his lips about Oil addiction slapped a 10 Cent tax on gas, only 12 Senators supported him. I do recall there were other reasons why Reagan got a landslide but I'd forgotten Jimmy actually had a political backbone.

I'm too young to have a proper memory of that guilded fop JFK, Dick Nixon and Carter I can remmeber. I do recall thinking what in hell is this pious peanut farmer doing in Tricky Dickies Oval office.

I get the similar feeling with the latest encumbent, the dumb patrician arrogance of JFK dominated the first term, now in the second he's invertebrate version of Carter vacillating to his base.

What are you talking about?

 

[vimto]

Originally Posted by rogue yam
If you had any class at all, and especially if you had any faith in God, this would be obvious. Your reaction is typical of amoral, atheistic leftists. Everything is political, and any tactic to tear down others is acceptable. President Bush has never done such a crass, mean-spirited, irreverant thing in his entire political life. This is one major reason why the left is so impotent here in America. In a land of generally decent and God-loving souls, evil is shunned.


Yup...I knew this was just another god bothering fucker with fuck all to say.

The leadheaded one would be soooo proud

 

[fela fan]

Then he shouldn't have been invited to the funeral.

Like it or not, there are standards of decorum. You might think that he's Hitler incarnate, but many don't. Also, there are many who disagree with him, who would recognize that it is possible to be intensely critical of Bush, in the right place, without degenerating into a free for all.

And if you're so worried about letting free criticism reign, why not work to allow dissenters to be able to say something critical within earshot of your Parliament buildings?

I don't give a fuck mate. I only argue here out of muscle spasms and the habit of the past. One day i'll instantly be gone, cutting off all political thoughts and seeking of justice. Waste of time. Freedoms are being robbed from the yanks and brits, freedoms that took ages to obtain. Most of them are just watching this subconsciously, letting it all happen.

Don't live there any more as you know, and anyway, if i wanted to advance the cause of justice and peace and freedom for all, as i indeed have done since i can remember, i'd be getting my voice into the mainstream media.

But they won't publish what i have to say. I'm too free...

Plenty of fun things to keep me occupied where i live. Urban's just a piece of what used to consume my life. A lingering pleasantness if you like!

 

[fela fan]

Because he's in Thailand, maybe? You wanker

Typical of you lot to try and derail the issue when you're losing an argument though. Maybe you should check the UK P+P forums and note that we don't all worship our government here

That too as well! Would be damned expensive for me to get to parliament. And the derailing which i noticed, something johnny's most adept at.

 

[fela fan]

What it shows me, is that there are becoming fewer and fewer situations where the two divisions of US politics, the dems and repubs, can come together. I would have thought that this funeral might have been one of them.

I don't think it does the country any good to promote the idea that the two parties are two solitudes that can never meet without warfare. They're supposed to be two political parties dedicated to furthering their country, and sometimes, to do so, it's good if they're able to work together, or at least meet together, without rancour.

No no no no NO. It's not about bloody dems and repubs as if the whole world could be mearured by politics.

It's about speaking out against injustice and criminality, according to what is right and according to the truth of the ways of the world. When one sees such human criminality as displayed by bush, then it is the absolute duty for anyone who lives a true life to speak out whenever possible.

The issue is not politics. It's human life, and avoiding the destruction of it by those who are power-mad.

In fact a funeral is the perfect venue to talk about things that may reduce the deaths of other humans. And bush leaving office will help that immeasurably.

 

[fela fan]

Try telling this to Bubba.

No point in talking to the deluded and/or insane. Though that then makes me wonder why i reply to you.

Ah i know, you're not insane but you are self-deluded, and there's always the chance of the latter waking up one day, so any help i can offer towards that realisation...

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Freedoms are being robbed from the yanks and brits, freedoms that took ages to obtain. Most of them are just watching this subconsciously, letting it all happen.

I agree, and this includes the cartoons row.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

No no no no NO. It's not about bloody dems and repubs as if the whole world could be mearured by politics.

It's about speaking out against injustice and criminality, according to what is right and according to the truth of the ways of the world. When one sees such human criminality as displayed by bush, then it is the absolute duty for anyone who lives a true life to speak out whenever possible.

The issue is not politics. It's human life, and avoiding the destruction of it by those who are power-mad.

In fact a funeral is the perfect venue to talk about things that may reduce the deaths of other humans. And bush leaving office will help that immeasurably.

Do you think the democrats at that funeral were speaking out for justice?

They were playing a point scoring game.

 

[fela fan]

Do you think the democrats at that funeral were speaking out for justice?

They were playing a point scoring game.

Could be a fair point, but when i see a criminal, i want him brought to justice any old way. If it takes a bit of political point-scoring, then so be it.

And anyway, if it's as you say, then don't be surprised. Politicians of all colours have virtually no ethics or morals, or conversely, far too many of the bloody things.

 

[nino_savatte]

What are you talking about?

oi2002's post isn't that difficult to understand...or is it the case that you don't want to understand for the sake of scoring a cheap point?

 

[nino_savatte]

Do you think the democrats at that funeral were speaking out for justice?

They were playing a point scoring game.

Just like you on Urban, sunshine.