Me too. I can never quite reconcile the fact that anecdotally online a lot of people seem to say they don't undertake with experience on the road in where I very very rarely see cyclists in the line of traffic not undertaking where there's an opportunity to do so.
Cyclists undertaking other cyclists
- Thread starter Orang Utan
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Me too. I can never quite reconcile the fact that anecdotally online a lot of people seem to say they don't undertake with experience on the road in where I very very rarely see cyclists in the line of traffic not undertaking where there's an opportunity to do so.
Lemon Eddy
Disliked by dwyer
I've got a horrible feeling I'm about to find out I'm a damned hypocrite for slagging off other cyclists for not following the highway code, but...
...is it really the case that undertaking slow moving vehicles on a bicycle is against the highway code? Please tell me this is not the case.
Undertaking cyclists, yep, obviously very naught. But undertaking a stopped row of cars waiting at a red light, or crawling along? Ooh, I hope that's not so.
Whatever it says or doesn't say in the highway code about the issue, the whole concept of the advance stop box is making the assumption that people will/should undertake at a red light.
I think it's an area where official guidance is deliberately vague, because whilst it's a fact of life of urban cycling, it's also potentially dangerous.
Like so many things with cycling, hard-and-fast rules don't really work - it's a case of adapt to the circumstances - sometimes the benefits outweigh the risk, other times not.
Miss-Shelf
I'll meet you further on up the road
iirc there is a provision in the highway code for bicycles to undertake other traffic but bicycle shall not undertake bicycle
indeed
cybertect
It's grim up north (London)
See my previous post on page 1 of this thread for my understanding of the Highway Code on this point.
The only legitimate entry point into an ASL in traffic is via a cycle lane. AFAIK, the Highway Code doesn't specify this explicitly, but the law does.
The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002 (Statutory Instrument 2002 No. 3113)
SI 2002/3113 Regulation 43 (2) said:
Technically, if the lights are red, you should not enter an ASL zone (even on a bicycle) through any other place than the cycle lane and should stop at the rear stop line if you cannot do so.
This does obviously encourage filtering on the left - where a cycle lane is present. Where one does not exist, it's much less clear that you can legitimately pass on the inside.
Boycey
juvenile rave slut
lols! the highway code is an ass, use your sense, don't hit stuff, don't get hit by stuff and don't do stuff that makes either of the above likely.*
*unless you're in an alleycat race and you might have a chance of getting a podium place
Termite Man
zombie flesh eater
If I stop at lights I stop in the middle of the road and don't pull over to the left untill I'm happy with the speed I'm going at and I feel it's safe for cars to start going past me . so if someone does undertake they have plenty of room although they don't normally get the chance because I can start off pretty quickly !
Geri
wasn't born to follow
I undertook another cyclist today - she was wobbling along on my right, almost on the centre line of the road (there were two lanes in the direction I was going, and we were both in the same lane) - she was going so slowly that if I had waited behind her out of politeness, the lights would have changed and I'd have been stuck there for ages, so I just had to go past her.
I doubt she even noticed, there was acres of room.
I doubt she even noticed, there was acres of room.
both undertaking and overtaking by other cyclists who cut very close makes me cross. It's not just that I may need to divert slightly. It's also because it can startle you very easily if the over/undertaking cyclist is very close and you weren't expecting them.
I remember seeing a post on another forum where the poster argued against cyclists using hand signals to indicate because you may hit another cyclist who was passing - if you're close enough to be hit by a cyclist who is indicating then you are too close.
Biddlybee
making knots with sticks
I'm sure I use some ASLs without the little cycle lane
would check but I'm on the bus today and tomorrow 
And if there's no bus or cycle lane, i'll overtake slow/stopped traffic.
silly to have a law to only enter from the right then.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
bad form
Geri
wasn't born to follow
Or hang onto their rucksack and let them pull you?
cybertect
It's grim up north (London)
I'm sure I use some ASLs without the little cycle lane
It's possible that some of them predate the 2002 regulations and haven't been revised since, which might make them unenforceable in principle.
I remember LB Wandsworth was one of the early adopters with ASLs in the mid 90s and I think very few, if any, of them had a cycle lane stub at the time unless it ran on from a longer lane.
Termite Man
zombie flesh eater
to be honest whoever posted that is a twat because you would surely LOOK BEHIND YOU before you start the signal part of the manoeuvre then check again once you've signalled then turn .
Treacle Toes
Time
Some little tosser undertook me on the west side roundabout of Elephant and then cut across my path. Whilst on the actual roundabout. Yes. The Actual Roundabout.
Fuckin tosser
I've had cars and motorcycles do the same....they clearly are trying to kill me.
