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spring-peeper said:
Then draw me a picture. With the possible exception of LA, I think you are wrong.

Can you explain why not having lights to tell people when to cross is bad for the environment?

imo - each time a lighting system is made, it impacts the environment, and the electricity used by the lights is also electricity that could be better used somewhere else.
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I don't think he means what you think he means.

He's not using the word "environment" in the green sense.
 
I'm not drawing you anything. I've seen you do this sort of thing before. You've not even read my post properly. You've said this:

Can you explain why not having lights to tell people when to cross is bad for the environment?
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Care to tell me where I even mentioned this? Or is it the case, that you're trolling again, while pretending to 'innocent'?
 
nino_savatte said:
No, it means that the environment - especially the urban environment - has been constructed around the automobile at the cost of the pedestrian, who has become a marginalised member of American society...so much so, that when drivers see someone walking along a road, they are shocked.
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We have obviously been in different parts of North America!!!!

oh man - where have you been?
 
Nino - I'm not about to go searching for a list of cities and there percentage of green space, I'm not going to get you stats on how many cities have pedestrian-only areas and I'm not going to start discussing the concept of underground cities.

Think about any show/movie you have seen take place in NYC - do you see pedestrians walking down the sidewalks? I do.
 
To be fair, I've been to New York, Chicago and Seattle in the US and to all the major cities of Canada, as far as I know (certainly Vancouver, Toronto, Quebec, Montreal, Ottawa (not that you can call that a major city) and Calgary spring to mind). And in my experience of those cities, although there might be a fundamentally different relationship between the pedestrian and the driver, the pedestrian doesn't particularly suffer compared with his European counterpart. It's different but no better or worse.

The same can't be said, however, for the out-of-town areas in the US (not so much in Canada), where it seems like there are miles of rolling strip malls and roads where you either drive or you don't go anywhere. And I understand that the whole of LA is pretty much like this too. There is certainly a completely different feel to out-of-town residential areas in the US and the UK.
 
When I was in Florida a couple of years ago, downtown was ped friendly, but outside of that, the pedestrian was just ignored in the main. We stayed in our friend's apartment in a housing complex. The access road had no sidewalk. The main road had no sidewalk and was 6 lanes wide. Without a car, we were utterly stranded.
 
Crispy said:
When I was in Florida a couple of years ago, downtown was ped friendly, but outside of that, the pedestrian was just ignored in the main. We stayed in our friend's apartment in a housing complex. The access road had no sidewalk. The main road had no sidewalk and was 6 lanes wide. Without a car, we were utterly stranded.
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Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. The city itself is fine, but the residential areas do tend to assume that it is car or nothing.
 
kabbes said:
To be fair, I've been to New York, Chicago and Seattle in the US and to all the major cities of Canada, as far as I know (certainly Vancouver, Toronto, Quebec, Montreal, Ottawa (not that you can call that a major city) and Calgary spring to mind). And in my experience of those cities, although there might be a fundamentally different relationship between the pedestrian and the driver, the pedestrian doesn't particularly suffer compared with his European counterpart. It's different but no better or worse.

The same can't be said, however, for the out-of-town areas in the US (not so much in Canada), where it seems like there are miles of rolling strip malls and roads where you either drive or you don't go anywhere. And I understand that the whole of LA is pretty much like this too. There is certainly a completely different feel to out-of-town residential areas in the US and the UK.
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I've been to London a fair number of times, and I don't remember any problems as a pedestrian. Conditioning and common sense had me stopping at the red lights in the city, or just running if there was a gap, but I saw no difference between walking around Toronto, Ontario or London, England.

As for the driving to the strip malls, yes that's a problem if you don't have a car. We have massive box stores here, places that you can buy in bulk, Walmarts, etc. and I rarely see any public transportation to these places. I think the logic is that you will buy so much stuff, you will need a car to get it all home.

The main difference I see is your public transportation system - very, very nice!!!
 
spring-peeper said:
Nino - I'm not about to go searching for a list of cities and there percentage of green space, I'm not going to get you stats on how many cities have pedestrian-only areas and I'm not going to start discussing the concept of underground cities.

Think about any show/movie you have seen take place in NYC - do you see pedestrians walking down the sidewalks? I do.
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You seem to think that the word "environment" has one, single connotation; it does not. I was not talking about"'green spaces', I was talking about the urban space/environment.

Are you thick as well as a troll?
 
nino_savatte said:
You seem to think that the word "environment" has one, single connotation; it does not. I was not talking about"'green spaces', I was talking about the urban space/environment.

Are you thick as well as a troll?
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Green spaces have no relevance to the environment? Isn't that part of the urban space/environment?
 
nino_savatte said:
You're talking rot. In fact, you've made it all up in your head.

How many people use your log in, I wonder?
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I'd go find it and the one where you were chastising me for thinking that the Plains of Abraham was near Quebec City, but that would be derailing the thread even more than it already is.

poor od nino!!!!

you really miss JC, don't you?



anyways - enough of this off topic stuff.
 
kabbes said:
Am I missing something here, or is it not already perfectly straightforward for a left-turning cyclist to get off, walk the bike 2 seconds around the corner and then get back on again? A cyclist can turn into a pedestrian in the time it takes to hop off a saddle.
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You're missing something.

Man and machine are one.

And the 2% of cunt cyclists are men.
 
I try to avoid dismounting as I've set my saddle rather high, and the suspension seatpost makes it even more inconvenient - a bit like mounting a penny-farthing.
 
Consider:

Lights at red.

14-wheeler pulled up in second lane.

Nothing in bus lane - except cunt cyclist powering through at 40kph to make oh-so-cool swing to the left.

Pedestrian emerges from behind 14-wheeler.
 
laptop said:
Consider:

Lights at red.

14-wheeler pulled up in second lane.

Nothing in bus lane - except cunt cyclist powering through at 40kph to make oh-so-cool swing to the left.

Pedestrian emerges from behind 14-wheeler.
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Cunt cyclist is cunt, no matter whether or not Boris gets his way.
 
spring-peeper said:
I'd go find it and the one where you were chastising me for thinking that the Plains of Abraham was near Quebec City, but that would be derailing the thread even more than it already is.

poor od nino!!!!

you really miss JC, don't you?



anyways - enough of this off topic stuff.
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Sorry pal, but you have me confused with someone else. If you are going to persist with this nonsense, then I will have to report you.
 
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