cyclists to legally be allowed to jump reds in london

[spring-peeper]

Why isn't de Pfeffel pushing for more cyclists to be trained instead of applying for a change in the law? The HC is there for everyone, not just some road users.

What is the HC?

 

[Biddlybee]

Highway Code

(rules of the road in UK http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070190)

 

[nino_savatte]

Highway Code

(rules of the road in UK http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070190)

Thanks.

 

[kabbes]

I did it agian, didn't I?

I keep mixing you up with a Canadian poster from Surrey, BC.

Ooh, they have a good website. It looks like quite a nice place, actually.

But no. I live in the Surrey where they play cricket increasingly poorly.

 

[Orang Utan]

are you not allowed to cross the road if it's red in other countries then?

 

[spring-peeper]

Ooh, they have a good website. It looks like quite a nice place, actually.

But no. I live in the Surrey where they play cricket increasingly poorly.

I'm sooo sorry - I'll do my best to keep you two separate. You seem really nice and the other one only comes here to troll.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Why isn't de Pfeffel pushing for more cyclists to be trained instead of applying for a change in the law? The HC is there for everyone, not just some road users.

well it is however my guess is that in most respects the legilation has been geared towards motorised transport and not self propelled transport. As such rules which are there as a result of local bylaws and other such elgislation to prevent injury or accident and promote safe use of motorised transport. This isn't really a rule change in the traditonal sense as a rule clarification as to which types of transport the general rule applies to.

 

[ajdown]

Why isn't de Pfeffel pushing for more cyclists to be trained instead of applying for a change in the law? The HC is there for everyone, not just some road users.

I'd go for compulsory training, registration and insurance for all cyclists. Do they still do "Cycling Proficiency" tests at school?

I don't understand why, when there's an accident such as this caused by a cyclist, it's still the vehicle driver that's considered "at fault", and never the cyclist in error?

 

[spring-peeper]

are you not allowed to cross the road if it's red in other countries then?

Turning right (or left if you drive on the UK side of the road) requires coming to a complete stop before turning, but usually red means stop. Bicycles, cars, people, skateboarders and roller blades - same for everyone (thing).

 

[Donna Ferentes]

But no. I live in the Surrey where they play cricket increasingly poorly.

Which is more than they do.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

So peds can just walk out onto oncoming traffic and they have to stop?!

yes.

it' has laways been this way since the days of the red flag.

 

[spring-peeper]

If this legislation goes through, would the cyclist have to come to a complete stop before going through the red light?

 

[Orang Utan]

Turning right (or left if you drive on the UK side of the road) requires coming to a complete stop before turning, but usually red means stop. Bicycles, cars, people, skateboarders and roller blades - same for everyone (thing).

I meant pedestrians

 

[Private Storm]

Why isn't de Pfeffel pushing for more cyclists to be trained instead of applying for a change in the law? The HC is there for everyone, not just some road users.

There are different sections of the HC for different types of vehicles, this would be no different.

 

[Biddlybee]

I meant pedestrians

VV

It's illegal in the Americas, so I just thought I'd ask.

 

[Orang Utan]

ah right. I thought it was illegal to cross the road at anywhere but a crossing in America, but not a red light.
I noticed people tutting at me when crossing the road in Berlin last year.
Do people get arrested for ignoring red lights then, spring-peeper?

 

[nino_savatte]

There are different sections of the HC for different types of vehicles, this would be no different.

I am aware of that but traffic lights are there for all road users, not certain ones who the mayor is planning to exempt. More training is the answer, not this hare-brained non-starter.

 

[spring-peeper]

I meant pedestrians

The people part should have read pedestrians - and yes, they stop on red lights. Red means stop - so we stop.

The only exception is when there is a set of lights for the pedestrians. Some cities have them (even with a counter so you know how much longer you can cross) and some don't (Montreal).

 

[Orang Utan]

The people part should have read pedestrians - and yes, they stop on red lights. Red means stop - so we stop.

The only exception is when there is a set of lights for the pedestrians. Some cities have them (even with a counter so you know how much longer you can cross) and some don't (Montreal).

I'm even more confused now - what do you mean by 'a set of lights for the pedestrians'? What they call a pelican crossing over here?

 

[Crispy]

Many junctions in N america don't have red and green men, just lights for the traffic.

 

[spring-peeper]

ah right. I thought it was illegal to cross the road at anywhere but a crossing in America, but not a red light.
I noticed people tutting at me when crossing the road in Berlin last year.
Do people get arrested for ignoring red lights then, spring-peeper?

Pedestrians - tickets
Vehicles - ticket and demerit points off your license.

err - also, you are only allowed to cross the road at an intersection on a green light or you get a ticket.

 

[Orang Utan]

Many junctions in N america don't have red and green men, just lights for the traffic.

blimey!

 

[spring-peeper]

By the end of this thread, all NA's will know how to handle traffic in the UK and the UK posters will be able to travel in the Americas without getting fined.

 

[nino_savatte]

Many junctions in N america don't have red and green men, just lights for the traffic.

That should tell one about the status of the ped in the US.

 

[Orang Utan]

I reckon we'd get away with it if we apologised affably in our best Hugh Grant accents

 

[spring-peeper]

That should tell one about the status of the ped in the US.

Yes, it means that we are bright enough to know to stop on red lights without a special set of controls.



Actually, most large cities have them for intersections that pedestrians wouldn't have a chance to cross safely without them. Traditionally, they turn to walk once all the lights at the intersection have turned red. ie-all cars stop, people cross.

 

[nino_savatte]

Yes, it means that we are bright enough to know to stop on red lights without a special set of controls.



Actually, most large cities have them for intersections that pedestrians wouldn't have a chance to cross safely without them. Traditionally, they turn to walk once all the lights at the intersection have turned red. ie-all cars stop, people cross.

No, it means that the environment - especially the urban environment - has been constructed around the automobile at the cost of the pedestrian, who has become a marginalised member of American society...so much so, that when drivers see someone walking along a road, they are shocked.

 

[spring-peeper]

No, it means that the environment - especially the urban environment - has been constructed around the automobile at the cost of the pedestrian.

Really? How did you come to that?

 

[nino_savatte]

Really? How did you come to that?

You'd have to be pretty blind or thick not to see it.

 

[spring-peeper]

Then draw me a picture. With the possible exception of LA, I think you are wrong.

Can you explain why not having lights to tell people when to cross is bad for the environment?

imo - each time a lighting system is made, it impacts the environment, and the electricity used by the lights is also electricity that could be better used somewhere else.