Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Indeed.
cyclists to legally be allowed to jump reds in london
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Indeed.
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
Nope - its the exact opposite. The only places pedestrians don't have right of way are crossings, within the entire zig zag area and anywhere where motorway regs apply, wuich includes verges, slip roads etc.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
So peds can just walk out onto oncoming traffic and they have to stop?!
scifisam
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I'll put away my mental image of the drivers sitting in their cars patiently waiting for the hoards of people walking around them - with bikes zig-zagging around them all, of course!!!
In Soho, yes, but like I said, Soho is a crazy place to navigate anyway. In other places, no.
Snap, but you were more precise.
Yes. TBH, even if that's not the law in other countries, it's the way things probably work in practicality.
I did start a thread a while ago about stupid pedestrians, but it's not quite as bad as you and SP seem to think. Maybe because the roads are narrower?
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
That's not what I was taught and I don't remember anything the highway code that says peds have right of way all the time....
I think people are getting confused: there is no offence of "jaywalking" in the UK - pedestrians can cross roads wherever they choose.
And common sense dictates that drivers, unless homicidal or not concentrating at all, will try to stop if someone steps in front of them unexpectedly.
But I don't know that this translates into "pedestrians have right of way at all times".
In practice, if I chose to exercise this "right" and stepped into fast-moving traffic, giving the driver little chance to stop, and got run over, the driver wouldn't be at fault.
Giles..
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Shit idea.
If you're on the road, then bloody well obey the same set of rules as every other fucker.
If you're on the road, then bloody well obey the same set of rules as every other fucker.
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
*rides in the middle of the lane at all times from now on*
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
*rides in the middle of the lane at all times from now on*
To be fair in London that wouldn't be too bad, most cyclists can keep up with the snails pace that traffic usually moves at
lighterthief
Well-Known Member
I think this will encourage cyclists to try to sidle up the inside of stationary traffic at junctions - surely one of the most dangerous things you can do as a cyclist in London, and where the majority of fatalities occur 
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Well, I didn't know that . . . .
smmudge
i know the smudge is true
I've always thought that red lights for cyclists should be regarded as 'guidance'...like what pedestrian lights is for them pedestrians.
There are many red lights I'm happy to stop at, but unfortunately the law dictates that this has to be the same at ALL red lights, in ALL the different situations where you may encounter a red light?!
Better cycle routes then I won't have to jump reds. And what is so wrong with zebra crossings that they had to replace them with pelican crossings? 
And I always thought that the zig zags by pedestrian crossings marked places where cars can't overtake, rather than where you can't walk.
There are many red lights I'm happy to stop at, but unfortunately the law dictates that this has to be the same at ALL red lights, in ALL the different situations where you may encounter a red light?!
Better cycle routes then I won't have to jump reds. And what is so wrong with zebra crossings that they had to replace them with pelican crossings? And I always thought that the zig zags by pedestrian crossings marked places where cars can't overtake, rather than where you can't walk.
I'll toss in my thoughts.
Out here cyclists are allowed to jump reds to turn left, as are motorcyclists and cars, unless there is a sign to say they can't.
Most of the time it works but not always.
I've seen some of the not always and it can get messy.
With that in mind I have to say it's a wank idea.
Out here cyclists are allowed to jump reds to turn left, as are motorcyclists and cars, unless there is a sign to say they can't.
Most of the time it works but not always.
I've seen some of the not always and it can get messy.
With that in mind I have to say it's a wank idea.
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
The idea is to stop bikes being squished by lorries turning left? Don't think this'll help in the grand scheme. Biker sees red light, knows they can hop it, undertakes straight into the big bike shop in the sky.
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
Nope - There is the qualification that they must act responsibly to all other road users. Which of course works both ways.
Simply stepping out regardless of traffic conditions would not be seen as that. Although courts do hand-down percentage fault determinations at times.
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
The highway code does cover specific circumstances but the general right of way is a historic thing, from pre-car days, governed by common law, not specific traffic regulation.
At its most basic, all road users have exactly the same right and duty of care to each other on the road but this has been modified by a wide variety of factors, some legal, some purely by common practice and the decisions of individual road engineers and councils, who were charged with improving various aspects of a growing problem over about a century.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
I think this will encourage cyclists to try to sidle up the inside of stationary traffic at junctions - surely one of the most dangerous things you can do as a cyclist in London, and where the majority of fatalities occur
hmm, I think people are still encouraged to use their common sense.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
Yep - especially as said vehicle obscures their view ahead and to the right.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
Am I missing something here, or is it not already perfectly straightforward for a left-turning cyclist to get off, walk the bike 2 seconds around the corner and then get back on again? A cyclist can turn into a pedestrian in the time it takes to hop off a saddle.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
One tends to lose one's momentum though
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Great, as if cyclists didn't get a bad enough press already. This will not help our cause. 
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
The pedestrians can ignore the red light over there.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
Yes I know that. I am "over there". The point is that the left-turning cyclists don't need to wait at their red signal at all. They can just get off and walk for 10 yards until they get round the corner, then they can just get back on again.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
But even if this jumping law was in force, one would still have to stop at the signal to check if it was safe to turn anyway.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
over where?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Why isn't de Pfeffel pushing for more cyclists to be trained instead of applying for a change in the law? The HC is there for everyone, not just some road users.
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
Biddlybee
making knots with sticks
^ have to agree with this. A lot of the left turns I take after lights, then immediately hit another set of lights. Going to be a complicated system.
Not a good thing.I think this will encourage cyclists to try to sidle up the inside of stationary traffic at junctions - surely one of the most dangerous things you can do as a cyclist in London, and where the majority of fatalities occur
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
Soz - I thought s/he was someone else
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