cyclists to be allowed to take the shortest route!

[GarfieldLeChat]

You should see the motorists round my way going through red lights and driving whilst on the phone.

erm but in order for them not have hit you they would have to have entered the round about first in which case you should have given way to that which approaches you from the right... so you were in the wrong pulling out in front of her...

 

[gentlegreen]

erm but in order for them not have hit you they would have to have entered the round about first in which case you should have given way to that which approaches you from the right... so you were in the wrong pulling out in front of her...

I was travelling around the roundabout from opposite her so I approached her from her right - with lights on and yellow jacket and helmet and quite likely giving a hand signal.

Perhaps someone would like to animate my diagram ?

For feck's sake I have been using the roads for 31 years - passed m/c test in 1979.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

I was travelling around the roundabout from opposite her so I approached her from her right - with lights on and yellow jacket and helmet and quite likely giving a hand signal.

Perhaps someone would like to animate my diagram ?

For feck's sake I have been using the roads for 31 years - passed m/c test in 1979.

and you still have to give way to approching vehcile from the right... if you didn't you lose the right to complain if they then nearly hit you.

you can only be said to have been approaching her from the right if you had already entered the roundabout in which case she'd have been no where near you at the time...

 

[baldrick]

erm but in order for them not have hit you they would have to have entered the round about first in which case you should have given way to that which approaches you from the right... so you were in the wrong pulling out in front of her...

it's fairly clear that gg entered the roundabout first and as he approached the junction, she pulled out in front of him.

don't get what's so hard to understand.

 

[gentlegreen]

and you still have to give way to approching vehcile from the right... if you didn't you lose the right to complain if they then nearly hit you.

you can only be said to have been approaching her from the right if you had already entered the roundabout in which case she'd have been no where near you at the time...

http://uk.geocities.com/gentlegreengiant/roundabout2b.JPG



Any clearer ?

To recap.

Bimbo turning right, holding mobile with right hand, probably not indicating right.

 

[Crispy]

it's fairly clear that gg entered the roundabout first and as he approached the junction, she pulled out in front of him.

don't get what's so hard to understand.

indeed. the diagram was misleading because the red arrow continued onwards. but if you read the actual description, it's obvious that gg was already on the roundabout and she pulled out infront of him

 

[toggle]

If the road is wide enough, it makes sense. Clearly signposted, of course.

and without an 18 inch wide cycle lane printed on one side of the road, that is overhung by car wing mirrors (if ti's not parked in by people that want to park at 'that' angle) with a 1 foot diameter pothole every 20 feet and marked that it's a contraflow by signs hidden behind trees.

the alternative is to mark of the contraflow section with metal bollards on traffic islands to stop people parking in it, giving local shopkeepers a convenient place to store their rubbish while ti's waiting for collection without impeding pedestrians on the 8 foot wide pavement.

I'll translate the above as 'i've seen it done in a few different ways, badly'

 

[Crispy]

indeed.

 

[marty21]

Exactly. I can think of a few in hackney and they seem to work well enough. Of course, the safety or otherwise of these designs does depend to a degree on motorists observing sensible speed limits.

i'm always seeing cyclists going the wrong way on the one way at the bottom of church street, doesn't seem to cause any problems

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

i'm always seeing cyclists going the wrong way on the one way at the bottom of church street, doesn't seem to cause any problems

i wasn't thinking of there actually, i think they're a bit potty in the head cycling into 2-3 lanes of one-way traffic that way. i was thinking of some of the converse one-way lanes over near london fields and that, as well as pitfield st (altho that's separate now).

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Any clearer ?

To recap.

Bimbo turning right, holding mobile with right hand, probably not indicating right.

oh ok i understand now

in which case swan vesta is what you want for soft tops flick and burn ...

 

[fredfelt]

Seems to make perfect sence. One way streets are only ever one way in the interest of motor vehicles. About time we saw some town planning where the bike gets consideration, hell maybe even give it priorioty over vehicles every now and again.

This system works perfectly well in Holland.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Seems to make perfect sence. One way streets are only ever one way in the interest of motor vehicles. About time we saw some town planning where the bike gets consideration, hell maybe even give it priorioty over vehicles every now and again.

This system works perfectly well in Holland.

i'm not sure how one way streets are actually of benifit of anyone it restricts traffic filtration and creates congestion by forcing everyone through the same route regardless of destination....

 

[fredfelt]

i'm not sure how one way streets are actually of benifit of anyone it restricts traffic filtration and creates congestion by forcing everyone through the same route regardless of destination....

I was thinking of streets that are one way becuase there is not enough space for two lanes for cars. It's these streets are plenty wide enough for cycle traffic in both directions.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

I was thinking of streets that are one way becuase there is not enough space for two lanes for cars. It's these streets are plenty wide enough for cycle traffic in both directions.

even then it's usually done and the behst of locals or becuase of some insane planning committee descsion...

(such as the old poplar walk one way system which is so eco unfriendly near me that everyone has pretty much abandoned it...)

 

[gentlegreen]

fired up with this topic, and an idiot bus driver taking liberties with my life yesterday I'm afraid I was very naughty on the way home and capped it all by being unfair to a car coming down my street - it was borderline whether he dared me or I dared him. He got the full Maori treatment

 

[Green K]

Its all a bit rubbishy really. What really needs to happen is a Proper cycle network, not just numbers painted on a road or a line with a bit of green colourd tarmac at the edge of existing roads, but proper bike only routes. Ie no cars buses etc. Utopia huh, well it ain't gonna happen because cycles don't bring in any revenue for the government coffers.

I've bitten my lip thus far, but this idea of cycling against the flow of the traffic is just plain madness. Looking at it from both sides, ie a cyclist and a car user it just won't work. Yes each camp is going to argue its corner, thats human nature. No matter what people say thers some real fucking idiots cycling around London. I came upon 2 today. One guy cycling across clapham common just joined Windmill Road without even looking and then had the bare faced cheek to blame me. The other a woman cycling along Brownswood Road on the phone weaving around the speed lumps. A danger to themselves. Darwins Law will come into play soon for these two me thinks. Now if these two are anything to go by they would be the first to shout if a car hit them on a oneway street. Clearly their roadskills/roadcraft is blatanatly dodgy, yet the car driver would be banged to rights with no say in the matter. Not really on.
Don't get me wrong I'm not anti bike. I come across some real cockheads driving cars/vans or whatever. Some should have their licence taken away forthwith. I'm still of the opinion that cyclists need their own exclusive cycle routes streets. I see a better way of doing this as zoning streets. In peak periods motorvehicles could be prohibited from using minor roads that run parallel with commuter routes. It would need a bit of thought and planning, that would be novel in itself. In this way the cyclist could benefit from fairly car free routes. Obviously a lot depends on the boroughs working together or an overall control given to someone like TFL.

Just some of my ramblings/rants/thoughts on it. Some will agree some won't, but thats just being human.............

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

fired up with this topic, and an idiot bus driver taking liberties with my life yesterday I'm afraid I was very naughty on the way home and capped it all by being unfair to a car coming down my street - it was borderline whether he dared me or I dared him. He got the full Maori treatment

and it's precisely that reason it will never be a good idea to have on coming traffic in one way systems. what happens when you are unfair to a car and it hits you...

 

[internetstalker]

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There will be no dividing line between drivers and cyclists because the councillors think it will be safer to let them find their own way past each other.

This sounds like a recipe for disaster!

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Sorry, but that's an utterly shit idea.

motorists will face prosecution if a collision occurs

Errrr, why?



If you're on the road then you should follow the rules of the road, I don't give a fuck what form of transport you're using.

 

[Spymaster]

Absolutely the fucking stupidest idea for ages.

Wonder how many cyclist will be killed before they realise it's lunacy?

 

[gentlegreen]

Absolutely the fucking stupidest idea for ages.

Wonder how many cyclist will be killed before they realise it's lunacy?

Once the first speeding motorist has his legs ripped off by cyclists the message will get through.

 

[internetstalker]

Sorry, but that's an utterly shit idea.



Errrr, why?



If you're on the road then you should follow the rules of the road, I don't give a fuck what form of transport you're using.

if they put a cycle path down one side I dont see a problem, but without one its a stupid idea

 

[Spymaster]

Once the first speeding motorist has his legs ripped off by cyclists the message will get through.

Thing is the motorist doesn't have to be speeding or breaking any other law to make this dangerous. Most London cyclists are far too crap to judge speed, distance and clearance on normal roads and there are a fair few crap motorists out there.

Motorists will not be looking for cyclists turning into one way streets and there will be collisions where the car is pulling out at the end of the road.

Guaranteed.

Prick of an idea.

 

[Radar]

Garf - there are plenty of one-way roads that are 1.5 car widths wide. Too wide for 2 cars, but fine for a car and a bike. If this is clearly signposted, it shouldn't be dangerous.

Hmm, I bet you find motorbikes using that half width to overtake.

Now who has right of way ??

 

[Greebo]

One question: What happens if a cyclist using a one way street in the direction of traffic flow, meets a cyclist going against flow?

 

[tommers]

One question: What happens if a cyclist using a one way street in the direction of traffic flow, meets a cyclist going against flow?

it'll be like matter and anti-matter colliding in star trek, or that episode of knight rider where michael fought his evil twin.

 

[Boycey]

I wonder who the Top Dog is.

hgvs are the top predators, closely followed by farm equipment (don't get much of that in the cities though).

personally i think it's a great idea. it won't actually change much, cyclists who're uneasy will probably avoid roads like that cos they're a bit scary, confident cyclists will do what they always did just without fear of fine/prosecution. easy

 

[mauvais]

As a cyclist doing a silly mileage, half in the city, I can't think of many places it'd work. Lots of one way streets here are multiple lanes and fast, and you wouldn't want to ride into that. On smaller roads it'd just be confusing for both parties.

I think, if anything, they should decriminalise but not actively encourage it. Cyclists can ride the wrong way but you have to give way where necessary like with oncoming priority roads, and it's your responsibility to take care at entrances and junctions.

The only change to drivers' responsibility should be their responsibility to look both ways on joining a one way street, which any sensible driver should already.

 

[fredfelt]

If it works perfectly well in other countries I can't see why we cannot sort it out here.

On appropiate streets on the other end of a one way street under the 'No Entry' sign an 'Except Cycles' sign is installed.

Simple.

The CTC are campagning for this...

http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=5088