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Cyclists - Look out for pigs before shooting a red light

Mail said:
Women cyclists are more likely to be killed by lorries than men because they obey red lights and then wait in drivers? blind spots.

Not quite an unqualified endorsement of red-jumping is it?

You'd just as legitimately say that Women cyclists are more likely to be killed because they obey red lights in an unsafe manner.

When approaching a lorry at red, I don't wait on its left hand side, I wait behind it. If a lorry pulls up alongside me at red, I nose forward and wait infront of it, making sure I make eye contact with the driver.

Mail said:
Rosie was reasonably cautious which seems to be the problem. It seems that you need to be aggressive and assertive to survive as a cyclist

Not sure about aggressive, but 100% agree with assertive.

Indy said:
And if you're going to allow cyclists to turn left on a red light, why not also allow them to cross red lights when the traffic has been stopped for pedestrians? (Making sure to give way to people on foot, of course).

I'd probably support this too, but would be worried that it'd give the antisocial fuckwits who already do this at speed further excuse to continuee.
 
sometimes being aggressive is the only way to be safe, on some roads it is best to just hug the inside and GTFO of the way, most of the time assertive is best, the rub is in knowing when to be which.
 
Not quite an unqualified endorsement of red-jumping is it?

no it's not unqualified, has anyone seen any figures for the number of cyclists killed jumping lights?

the only figures i know of: 7 london messengers dead in 20 years, all by left turning lorries. none jumping lights.
 
Because a bicycle is less dangerous to other road users than a car.

Personally, I'd like to at least see left turns on red for cyclists.

And if they cause or nearly cause a driver to have an accident?

I think this fining is a great idea, I'm sick of fucking idiot cyclists thinking they can endanger other road users just because their choice of transport allows for piss taking.
 
bungle, here's some aggressive cyclists not being hit by cars :)
Yeah, I've seen that video before. No, they weren't hit by cars, more by luck than anything else, but they almost hit some pedestrians. Near the end one of them is almost hit by a cab (whose driver is heard to shout "Wanker!" in another version of the video I've seen).

no it's not unqualified, has anyone seen any figures for the number of cyclists killed jumping lights?

the only figures i know of: 7 london messengers dead in 20 years, all by left turning lorries. none jumping lights.
I wonder what the figures for cyclist jumping red lights and involved in, or causing, some kind of accident are?
 
I wonder what the figures for cyclist jumping red lights and involved in, or causing, some kind of accident are?

I don't have any stats but I've nearly been hit by them twice (and once with a baby in a buggy) and my friend was hospitalised last year after being hit by a twat going through a red light.

I agree that some cyclists are bright enough to look out for pedestrians but unfortunately not all of them are. And TBH I think I have the right to cross the road safely on a green man.
 
Power to the People !

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Less abuse from all, please people. It's only MOTHERFUCKING CYCLISTS AND RED LIGHTS! :mad: after all.
 
what crispy said. :)

I wonder what the figures for cyclist jumping red lights and involved in, or causing, some kind of accident are?

there's only anecdotes unfortunately, which leaves us with the possibly illogical conclusion that it's statistically safer for cyclists to jump reds than wait at them.
 
Jumping red lights is an expression of our freedom...it will be a sad day when no-one feels able to cruise freely.
 
personally i feel that if a bicyclist decides that it is their right to ignore red lights then fair doos... but they also lose the right to bitch about being squished under an artic or cut up by a car driver.

its probably a good job I don't live in a city as i would probably end up driving a steam roller just so I can squish cyclists and car drivers who act like bell ends

sadly my google for "steamroller of doom" was a bit dissapointing...

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so you will have to imagine a steamroller with spikes and grenade launchers etc
 
Why do drivers get so uptight about this?

Maybe they should step out of their metal prisons once in a while... smell the air and feel the wind on their face :)
 
Why do drivers get so uptight about this?

Maybe they should step out of their metal prisons once in a while... smell the air and feel the wind on their face :)

I suspect a lot of the people who get uptight about it are actually pedestrians.
 
^tis true, basically everyone shits on everyone slower/softer than themselves, law of the jungle.
 
Why do drivers get so uptight about this?

Maybe they should step out of their metal prisons once in a while... smell the air and feel the wind on their face :)

and shove a stick through the wheels of a cyclist jumping a red light as they walk along?

dunno tbh its doesnt really arse me that much as we dont have many cyclists round here but the holier than thou attitude SOME cyclists portray on here does make them look like cunts tbh.
 
Yep some cyclists piss me off too... dont go so fast and take your helmet off...FFS

Cycling for me is fun not a race.
 
the holier than thou attitude SOME cyclists portray on here does make them look like cunts tbh.

See, this is the main reason why I don't redjump. Am I crazy to think that if other road users have a better impression of cyclists, then we'd get more fair treatment? Or am I being hopelessly naive and should just fuck 'em?
 
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