Oswaldtwistle
Banned
So as a scooter rider am I allowed, or should I move into the advance lane? Should I get in front of the cyclists wherever possible at the lights?
No. The advance line is for cyclists only.
Cyclists: How do you feel about scooter riders?
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No. The advance line is for cyclists only.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
i have no problem whatsoever with scooters and motorbikes parking in front of me at lights - they are faster after all.
i just don't want them in bus lanes.
i just don't want them in bus lanes.
lighterthief
Well-Known Member
My view on scooters & motorcylists:
- please don't use the Advance Stop Box at junctions
- please don't filter up the inside of traffic then stop when you can go no further - very often you are blocking cyclists from accessing the Advanced Stop Box
- please don't use cycle lanes as a neat way to undertake traffic
- if there are cyclists ahead of you in the Advance Stop Box, please be patient and allow them to move off before attempting to overtake
- please don't undertake cyclists
Crispy
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tbh, I don't mind motorbikes in the advance box if they're already there before cyclists arrive. but I have been there, waiting, and had motorbikes arrive and pull infront or very close to the side. Also, sometimes motorbikes will fill up the feeder bike lane on the left. It's this sort of behaviour that I don't like. And yes, I realise this is not representative of bikers as a group.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
i'm not sure i see the point of the advanced wotsit - why have a box at the front reserved for the slowest road users? it doesn't make sense.
Crispy
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The idea is that cyclists are most vulnerable when pushing off (unstable and wobbly), so they need a big clear area to get going and not have accelerating traffic alongside when doing so.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
i see.
i often don't bother getting to the box and just keep in the traffic (not to the side) and just behave as if i'm in a car.
i've never got this obsession some cyclists have with gaining that extra few yards. i'm quite happy to stay in the traffic. i rarely overtake on the outside (or inside of course) in stationary traffic - it looks a bit foolhardy to me to cycle on the wrong side of the road facing oncoming traffic, just to get a few yards advantage on the rest of the traffic that's gonna overtake you anyway. what if the traffic starts moving whilst you're overtaking? how do you get back to the left? i'd rather not risk it.
Biddlybee
making knots with sticks
Think it depends if there's a cycle lane leading up to the box or not - more often than not there is... so I'll head up to the box. In heavy traffic cyclists can move across junctions where cars couldn't (because there isn't room for them).
My experience is that cyclists tend to get off quicker than motorists, they then over take you generally
My experience is that cyclists tend to get off quicker than motorists, they then over take you generally
Boycey
juvenile rave slut
while i like the "it's not a race- why bother?" philosophy in principle my recent employment has seen me return to the "if the road is clear then i'll go there/no such thing as a red light unless there's a blue one next to it" method. overtaking in the middle of the road is much much safer than the inside (it's worth noting that both are legal on a bicycle), car drivers in front have you in plain view and unless they're psychotic cunts make space for you as they do for motorbikes/scooters, you are also more visible to drivers travelling in the same direction as you. furthermore you're not in risk of being car doored and pedestrians are generally more wary in the middle of the road rather than in the "pavement extention" zone.
while my particular riding philosophy is never going to get official endorsement you'll find that "out in the middle is best" is the taught by all cycle trainers in london.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I think this would be disastrous. Ime, many cyclists are piss poor at following/understanding roadcraft and will do stupid things to gain a few yards.
Motoircycles turning right in the situation that you outline here would have to contend with cyclist continuing forwards, but sitting on their offside at lights when the nearside area is full. Cyclists would also occupy the central motorcycle space. Generally speaking, motorcyclists (not scooter riders) are among the most aware of road users. They have to be, and a large proportion of motorcycle enthusiasts engage in instruction/training beyond the simple test requirements. Cyclists of course rarely have any. Most bikers should be perfectly capable of positioning themselves at lights. If shared use ASz's were to be introduced, the motorcycles should be at the front with the cycles behind them.
same here. and if the traffic starts to move i just hold back until i can safely move across to the left.
winjer
holocene death beat
There's a road with something a bit like that in Stratford, filter lane on the left for bikes, one in the middle of the road for m/cs, two boxes at the lights.
sim667
All aboard the 303 bus.
I used to be a scooter rider and am now a cyclist....... never had any real problems with scooters nowadays........ but i also have to drive on the M25 every morning...... and the bloody motorcyclists filtering through traffic about 60 mph is just sodding dangerous!
winjer
holocene death beat
This seems to have got a lot worse since they've been allowed in bus lanes, also them using bike lanes. I even had one biker shout at me last week for being in his way and when I pointed out he shouldn't even be there he said I was stupid and should look at the signs, pointing at a bus lane sign.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
neither feel safe to me
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
Yeh, people are generally nice and let me back in, then overtake me
i've not worked out that particular skill yet - filtering back to the left hand lane is when i feel most vulnerable, so i don't do it.
Biddlybee
making knots with sticks
Traffic on my route moves so slowly and there's not a long stretch without lights that it's not too bad for me.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
i cycle up the one way warwick road/holland road (the a3220) amongst car transporters and huge construction materials trucks on their way to park royal and i don't really fancy playing dodgems with them
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Nice quiet road going parallel to Holland Road between it and the tube line.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
addison road?
that's one way
i prefer busy roads to be honest. quiet roads are where accidents happen. cars parked either side, pedestrians jumping out on you - you can only cycle safely at about 10mph. not worth it.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
the other side of the road. Russel Road > Elsham Road
I like Addison Road though, the houses have got communal mini parks behind.
I like Addison Road though, the houses have got communal mini parks behind.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
i want to live in that art nouveau peacock house.
it's on the market
£29million.
doubt i'd get a mortgage
it's on the market
£29million.
doubt i'd get a mortgage
Open Sauce
Active Member
Richard Littlejohn said:
Failed logic of the Daily Mail kind.
Most road uses break the highway code frequently, so should be just tear it up.
Open Sauce
Active Member
Imagine how much more frustrating it would be it they all gave up their bikes and drove.
I nearly crashed in to a cyclist at Camden Town tonight, just near the station where the road stems off into Kentish Town or Holloway. This arse tried to cut across both lanes of traffic against the lights in free flowing traffic with a pedestrian rail between him and the pavement. Sheer bloody lunacy 
smmudge
i know the smudge is true
Given that they're always at junctions, I assumed it was so the cyclists could move off without the risk of being hit by a turning car whose wing mirror hadn't been checked.
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