cyclist rage - it's as bad as car driver rage
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2wheeledathiest
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Most drivers are just being careless (although some are psychopaths). But being careless in a ton of steel is a bad thing (really, trust me). How often have I heard `I didn't see you'? Well I was there, so you did not look. No point in venting ones spleen though, it happened. I like to smile at offenders (I have a smile that makes small children scream), I think they find that unsettling...
jæd said:
After looking both ways and determining it is safe to do so. In this instance, the cyclist is in the wrong, but so is the pedestrian. The cyclist shouldn't be yelling at the pedestrian if they're cycling down the wrong way, though.
But as a pedestrian, you can never assume anything before you cross the road. If you do, it's your own risk. I think most pedestrians rely on their hearing rather than actually looking before crossing the streets, which is totally unreliable for hearing an oncoming cyclist.
2wheeledathiest
I am sane, there is proof
running people over is a bad thing.......whether they are in the wrong or not
Oh come on...catrina said:
You're crossing a one way street, you look at where the traffic is supposed to be coming from. If some numpy is riding down it the wrong way and ploughs into someone then he's to blame, not the ped.
Once in a while I park my motorbike off the Whitechapel Road, there's no dropped kerb and I cross the main pavement. So strictly speaking I'm breaking the law and if there was any problems whatsoever chances are I'd be nicked for it. Well guess what, I'd even give way to cockroaches if they were on the pavement. Sometimes it takes a couple of minutes to cross 15ft, but so what ?? I'm in the wrong and imposing on the pedestrians. It's up to me to cause as little distress as possible.
2wheeledathiest
I am sane, there is proof
Always assume that the driver/ped/other cyclist is going to do the `wrong' thing and prepare accordingly......
catrina
I don't know how you drew that conclusion - I am most definitely not saying that the cyclists deserved to be hit/punched/slapped or asked for it (yawn) - I am saying that when you take aggressive action you should not expect a calm response.
The two 'car drivers' in my examples were wrong to hit the cyclists imo but so were the cyclists' imo - is that clear enough for you?
I don't know how you drew that conclusion - I am most definitely not saying that the cyclists deserved to be hit/punched/slapped or asked for it (yawn) - I am saying that when you take aggressive action you should not expect a calm response.
The two 'car drivers' in my examples were wrong to hit the cyclists imo but so were the cyclists' imo - is that clear enough for you?
catrina said:
Well as a justification for road rage or "cyclist rage" you make your case clearly. This is no different than justifying road rage on the basis that the driver has had a bad day and since it was the 6th time that day he had to have a go at the other driver or pedestrian.
Again, you ignore the point I made, the cyclist was going slow and did not even have to hit the brakes suddenly, she could easily have stopped but didn't want to. You seem to be giving me situations you have seen or experienced, which don't relate to the incident that happened to me.
I think someone else asked why I didn't apologise. I didn't argue, and calmly said to her (despite her attempt at having a go) "OK, go on then" but she continued with her tirade. I never asked for sympathy and admitted I was wrong in from the start, but people want to make excuses for cyclists in general without knowing the particulars of what happened.
Geri
wasn't born to follow
jæd said:
There is one street on my way home from work that I cycle up the wrong way, but I always go very slowly and make sure I defer to pedestrians and vehicles coming the other (right) way. I hop off if I have to.
Same with cycling on the pavements - although generally I prefer to be on the road, sometimes it's easier.
Mikey77 said:
Maybe I'm lucky in where I live but I haven't experienced "cyclist rage", ever. I really enjoy cycling and find it incredibly relaxing and just about the most pleasant way of getting about. I also drive but far less now than I used to cos I find it stressful to drive in the city. To me it sounds like you walking out in front of this cyclist really scared her and that's about a lack of confidence and road experience on her part. You should have apologised and just walked away (watching out for other cyclists).
catrina said:
Fear of bodily harm and self defense all serve to excuse her actions. In fact she was not about to be harmed. She was pissed off because she didn't want to use her brakes.
I believe cyclist rage, or any rage is wrong when it is completely out of proportion to the incident.
You were the one who said that something might have happened to this person a number of times that day, but to justify a tirade of abuse against another road user because they might be the 6th person to make a mistake that day it is a weak excuse for any type of rage.
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
I do get mad sometimes, especially when drivers act as if you aren't even there, or when the seem like they're actually trying to kill you. On one or two occasions I have inflicted on the spot fines on dangerous motorists, usually by removing a wing mirror. This is of course a response to anger but I've only ever done it when someone has wilfully endangered my life, and in that situation taking action yourself is the only way to punish a dangerous and reckless driver. One can never be sure of the effectiveness of this technique as it is wise to bugger off at the hurry-up as soon as it is carried out, but as he contemplates his lost mirror and the fact that its just under his insurance excess so he has to pay for it himself the driver will be forced to contemplate the reason he has been punished. Perhaps he will gain a glimpse of the concept that cyclists are in fact human beings and that killing them, or trying to kill them, can occasionally have negative consequences.
Less severe punishments include stopping in front of a driver who is talking on his phone and gesticulating to the effect that neither of you are going anywhere until he hangs up. A gentle thump on the window of an irresponsible driver can also wake them up a bit, and sometimes intimidation is the only language such people understand.
My personal favourite technique, though I have never pulled it off myself, is to pull up in front of an offender at a set of lights or a junction and walk round to the driver's side door. Looking as friendly as possible, indicate to the driver that you'd like him to wind his window down so you can have a chat. When he does so, you simply reach inside the car, extract his keys and hurl them into a convenient hedge, garden or down a drain. Get back on your bike and scarper, safe in the knowledge that an unsafe motorist has been prevented from endangering anyone else for the time being, but more importantly that he can't catch you up and kick your head in
Less severe punishments include stopping in front of a driver who is talking on his phone and gesticulating to the effect that neither of you are going anywhere until he hangs up. A gentle thump on the window of an irresponsible driver can also wake them up a bit, and sometimes intimidation is the only language such people understand.
My personal favourite technique, though I have never pulled it off myself, is to pull up in front of an offender at a set of lights or a junction and walk round to the driver's side door. Looking as friendly as possible, indicate to the driver that you'd like him to wind his window down so you can have a chat. When he does so, you simply reach inside the car, extract his keys and hurl them into a convenient hedge, garden or down a drain. Get back on your bike and scarper, safe in the knowledge that an unsafe motorist has been prevented from endangering anyone else for the time being, but more importantly that he can't catch you up and kick your head in
jæd said:@ cyclists who are stupid tossers and ruin it for everyone else...
I've taken to crossing Theobald's Road with my fist out in front of me, the instant the light goes green for me.
Any fucker motorist comes near me, I shall put a big dent in their car. Even if I die trying.
Any fucker cyclist hits me, the road will put a big dent in them. Instant justice.
At that spot, it's about 5% fucker cyclists.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
The Bristol cycletrack is currently flooded with idiot cyclists - double overtaking and going two-up round blind bends. I have recently cursed at more of them than cars... pro-rata they're much worse.laptop said:At that spot, it's about 5% fucker cyclists.
Unidentifiable and anonymous = freedom to take the piss maybe.gentlegreen said:
A swinging bag of some sort dents doors quite nicely in these circuimstances ... something like an attaché case ...laptop said:
So, unless there are two SpookyFrank's posting, you DON'T believe that there is ever any right to kill in self-defence but you DO believe that there is a right to cause criminal damage.SpookyFrank said:
Well, that clear's it up. Not.
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
detective-boy said:So, unless there are two SpookyFrank's posting, you DON'T believe that there is ever any right to kill in self-defence but you DO believe that there is a right to cause criminal damage.
Well, that clear's it up. Not.
Remove the sarcastic emphasis and you're spot on. Strangely enough I consider a human life to be more precious than a wing mirror
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